What system is worse? Facism or Socialism?

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What system is worse? Facism or Socialism?

  1. Facism - I lean left

    7 vote(s)
    63.6%
  2. Facism - I lean right

    1 vote(s)
    9.1%
  3. Socialism - I lean left

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  4. Socialism - I lean right

    3 vote(s)
    27.3%
  1. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Their enforcement without mercy, yes. All laws must be tempered with mercy and imbued with a spirit of goodwill, otherwise they become the very essence of tyranny.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ah, so just ignore laws you don’t like instead of changing them constitutionally. Sounds like a Biden supporter.
     
  3. Nonnie

    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Capitalism creates the motivation to do better, you reap what you sow. Socialists want everyone to do better so they do better, they want to reap what society sow. So, when you lose to others for your hard work, why work?
     
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    While I agree with the idea, I can't agree that it's Socialists who think that way.

    Socialists are all about earning your keep. Those who don't want personal responsibility are something else entirely.
     
  5. Bluesguy

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    What socialist government has existed without fascism? They are no mutually exclusive. Socialism may start out altruistic but then once the masses find out that the socialism applies to them and not the ruling class it turns to fascism to keep them inline or oppressed because socialism cannot supply them even the basics.
     
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    What fascism did Trump engage in or promote?
     
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    baseless lie.

    the 150,000 were mostly folks who were NOT Jews under German or Jewish law.

    They were Mischlinge, which means 1/4 or 1/8 Jew on their father's side.

    and very few people got certificates of Aryan Blood.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/his...-of-jewish-descent-to-fight-for-nazis-1.58495

    only 77 German Mischlinge military officers received the certificate.
     
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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    You should always obey the law but changing bad law is why we have government in the first place. Conservative/fascist reasoning says that all law is good. Things are illegal because they're bad and bad because they're illegal.
     
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    "REALITY DENIAL"


    I'll trust the detailed research of qualified and objective historians over your biased nonsense any day.

    If even one Jewish individual served in Hitler's military with the full knowledge of Hitler and the German High Command then the standard holocaust narrative that Germany's National Socialists wanted to kill all of Europe's Jews is fraudulent.

    The facts are:

    “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED


    Additionally, about 2 million non Germans served in what was the most diverse military force in modern history.

    In addition to about 150,000 Jews, Slavs, Franks, Ukrainians, Spaniards, Arabs, Asians and Blacks fought side-by-side with the Germans:

    "Adolf Hitler’s Armed Forces: A Triumph for Diversity?"
    https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/1/3/3102

    EXCERPTS " I ask those historians who still believe that Hitler and the Nazis were “white supremacists”: how do you account for the incredible degree of non-German and ethnic minority (i.e., 150,000 Jews and Jewish Mischlinge) collaboration during World War II? Again, some two million non-Germans helped the Nazis.

    Hitler continued to allow thousands of Jewish men to serve, and many did so with incredible tenacity and valor. One has to call into question whether all of these Jewish men and other non-Germans were really as opposed to the Nazi regime as they have claimed after the fact. Their tenacity and determination suggests otherwise in many cases. The Jewish soldiers Bernhard Rogge, Helmuth Wilberg, Erhard Milch, and Ernst Prager come to mind." CONTINUED
     
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    To be honest, these are BOTH authoritarian. Neither of them is distinctly different in their application or outcomes. BOTH then, are the antithesis of what the United States is structured to accomplish.
     
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    Gosh, as fantasies go, I suppose you get to determine how they effect you personally. Does he pay you rent for the space he takes up in your mind?
     
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    The political spectrum is not a line but a circle. The purpose of Socialism is Communism. Communism is the confiscation of the means of production. They will decide who eats or not. Step out of line and they can crush you.
    Fascism is collusion between big business and the state. With enough collusion, the state can still destroy anyone the steps out of line. At the end of the day, there is no difference between the two.

    I fear the day when I am accused of wrong think, lose my job, my credit cards are canceled for no reason and I end up homeless, in jail, or committing suicide.

    One the most amusing things is people thought Trump a fascist. He had not a tiny fraction of collusion between big business and big government than does Beijing Biden. The left appear to have stolen our last election in favor of a genuine fascist.
     
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  14. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    This is silly. Both of these systems are terrible, only the rhetoric justifying ongoing atrocities differs and not by that much
     

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