What's so great about Diversity?

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  1. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    What a mess of misinformation, right-wing tropes and conspiracy theory. I wouldn't know where to begin.
     
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    The Iranian people have unsuccessfully tried for a long time to free themselves from the suffocating, terrifying autocracy of the Islamo-Nazi 'priesthood' that has ruled Iran since 1979. Why do you believe that their tyrannical rulers using nuclear weapons would enable the Iranian people to be any more successful than they have been...?

    Do you understand that this whole unfortunate dynamic is propelled by Islam itself? Muslims are commanded by their religion to be actively engaged in harming and killing those that they consider to be "infidels"?

    Link: https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    The convicted fraudster and molester Trump seems to have won this round for his campaign...for the country not so much.
     
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    Fake News. The Ukraine slush-fund bill doesn't even close the border. A bill so bad even the Dem controlled Senate can't pass it.

    I miss the Peace and Prosperity of the Trump Era

    Houthi Rebels Fire Missiles At Two Ships As Red Sea Crisis Rages On
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    'Whatever happened to President Biden's Operation Prosperity Guardian?'
     
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  5. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Actually he does.

    (f)Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by President


    Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate. Whenever the Attorney General finds that a commercial airline has failed to comply with regulations of the Attorney General relating to requirements of airlines for the detection of fraudulent documents used by passengers traveling to the United States (including the training of personnel in such detection), the Attorney General may suspend the entry of some or all aliens transported to the United States by such airline.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Did Trump try to "shut down" asylum claims at the border?
    Yes, and his efforts were struck down in federal court.

    Trump tried to single-handedly suspend asylum in between ports of entry along the southern border through a proclamation in 2018, using a law House Speaker Mike Johnson and other Republicans have urged Mr. Biden to invoke.

    While the Supreme Court allowed the Trump administration to use this law — known as Section 212(f) — to enact restrictions and bans on legal immigration and travel, such as the infamous "travel bans," federal courts prevented the government from citing this authority to suspend asylum law. Trump's 2018 rule was ultimately declared unlawful.
     
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    Americans complaining about immigration is really quite a thing given the European diaspora taking over that land mass by force of conquest, without any reference to legality.
    If there is armed conflict from incomers to that land mass then most Americans are armed to the teeth, the poor old Aboriginal Americans only had bows and arrows to start with in order to resist the genocide and murder visited upon them ‘illegally’.
     
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    You are referring to ports of entry. I am referring to everywhere else on the border. In fact the border is closed outside of ports of entry by law. Sorry I wasn't inclusive enough in my post.
     
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    Immigration is not the issue. ILLEGAL immigration is the issue. Nobody is complaining about legal immigration.
     
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    I guess my English is cryptic for some reason. The use of nuclear weapons would be a disaster for Iran. That is what I said.

    It is political. They want the U.S. and Western Europe out of the middle east. They aren't attacking China or India where there are even more infidels. They are attacking us over our support of Israel, not because we are infidels but because they want Israel to be destroyed and we are standing in the way.
     
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    Legal immigration may be too restrictive and take too long, driving up the illegal immigration numbers. Perhaps an effort should be made to speed up legal immigration applications? Then maybe you would get more effective efforts against the illegal immigration?

    I personally think it nutty to allow any illegal immigrant to stay in your borders; I would suggest shipping them all out immediately. But at the same time I would drastically increase and streamline legal immigration.
     
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    Diversity in thought? Great! Diversity in race? Seems to be proving to be problematic.
     
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    Uhhh "just let everyone be a legal immigration!" that way we will solve the "illegal immigration" problem.
     
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    Ironically, the DEI people don't want to be diverse in the diversities that they support.
     
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    Not everyone. But many more, yes. Putting them all through the legal immigration procedure would allow more vetting of potential problem cases, instead of just releasing them within your borders as now often happens.
     
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    Whatever makes government more efficient is good. We can either issue green cards and let the people become citizens after a period of time by keeping their nose clean and passing a test as we do now or we would have to investigate every case individually. I don't need to tell you how cumbersome and expensive that would be. If you are talking about getting that green card, then bolstering the immigration legal system would make some sense.

    My mother qualified for a green card instantly by marrying my father who was an American citizen. Five years later she passed the test and earned citizenship. In the meantime her life as an immigrant was about the same as it would have been if she were a citizen. She bore and raised children. During those 5 years she integrated into American society and perfected her English. She was a model immigrant and later a model citizen without any investigations. It seems like a pretty good system to me. I like the idea of speeding up the process of issuing that green card but I like the idea of withholding citizenship for a period of time so the immigrant can show the ability to be a good American.
     
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    The people don't want that. When we say "shut down the border", (which Biden claims he could do after this bill was passed) it doesn't mean fast tracking up to 1.8 mil a year. As New York and many other States are experiencing right now is we have WAAAYYYYYYY too many people that we can deal with. Not process. House, feed, employ, police, school...health care. All of it.

    What the people WANT isn't to simply redefine those who are illegal to legal. We want the border shut down to a ****ing trickle until we can properly deal with the stupid amount of immigrants who are already here.

    And this could take a few years before we should actually open the border up to any kind of migration increase.

    This bill? it will ENCOURAGE and increase in migration.
     
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    We truly live in different media universes. In 2018 the Supreme Court upheld it.
     
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    That's an opinion that doesn't appear to be based on any consistent principal. European invades came to the Americas against the native's wishes, therefore...current invaders should be allowed to come here? If your concern is about the native Americans, why do you want to import more people to take their land?
     
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    "Trump tried to single-handedly suspend asylum in between ports of entry along the southern border through a proclamation in 2018"
     
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    Another great moment in diversity...

    High school teacher/soccer coach arrested for sexual relationship with a student

    Detectives from the Polk County Sheriff’s Office arrested a high school teacher in Lakeland on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, after an investigation revealed that he had twice sexually battered a 17-year old student from the school where he taught and coached soccer.

    26-year old Richard Alcalde of Lakeland was transported to the Sheriff’s Processing Center and charged with: Sexual Battery by Custodian (F1), Sexual Offense on Student by Authority Figure (F2), and Unlawful Use of 2-Way Communication Device (F3).

    PCSO detectives confirmed that Alcalde was employed as a teacher and a boys’ soccer coach at Star Athletes Academy at 3151 Hardin Combee Road in Lakeland, and was hired there in August of 2023. School officials told detectives that Alcalde’s employment is terminated.

    “Richard Alcalde should never step foot in a classroom ever again. Simply put—he preyed on this student and took advantage of her. He even tried to justify it by telling her that it was normal in his culture for a man his age to have a relationship with someone so young. Well that doesn’t fly, and now he’s going to experience jail culture.” – Grady Judd, Sheriff

    Obviously the mixture of cultures in which banging minor students isn't something that we apparently have a consensus on. However if I understand diversity different cultures are good.
     
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    Too bad it didn't work. Illegals should be turned back before they are half way across the river. Asylum applications should be made before arriving at the border. That is the way it is supposed to work. Apply for asylum. After it is approved show up at a port of entry and go through processing. The only acceptable alternative would be to have people arrive at a port of entry to apply for asylum. Illegal entry is illegal for good reason.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    And here.....and your citations are.....
    House Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.), echoing Trump, has claimed Biden could automatically deport anyone who was caught crossing illegally under Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act, which Trump used to impose the controversial travel ban on several majority-Muslim countries. This too is a fraught proposal, according to Reichlin-Melnick, noting that the courts struck down Trump’s attempt to prohibit people caught violating the order from seeking asylum, a right enshrined in a patchwork of international and U.S. immigration law implemented over the past 100-some years.
     
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    I'm not sure the point of this link since you rather ignored the fact that the Supreme Court upheld, it, not overturned it as you claimed. But your article states asylum is somehow sacred and immune to federal law. That isn't true.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    So the fraudster/molester was allowed to shut down the border? When did that happen?
     
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