What's Up! Did Russian Sub Have Fire Fight With US Sub?

True, but if you believe either the Russians, Americans or whoever in various military and intelligence bodies are going to reveal what they know to be true in this context you’re deluded.Instance, one country (don’t ask)has a long tradition of observing Russian submarine activity both during construction and at sea. Do you imagine they want anyone to know what they’re up to?
Taken 30 years ago now the Russians still have no idea by whom - - -

 

Fascinating, but SFA to do with my post. If Russian incompetence was a horse you'd back it in every race and win a lot more than you lose - it has impeccable pedigree and a form line that is compelling.

 

I'll take a stab at it 'with the light on' because I know who is monitoring all airspace even up here in Scandinavia: Israel.

 

Many, I feel, do both -- the former on purpose, the latter more by accident because they're gullible and manipulated along those lines.

 

True of some. Others are true believers - actual Russians or people who so detest Western civilization that they will side with all manner of enemies just to satisfy the hate. Once this was more common in pockets of the left, but since treating anyone but white men as second class citizens (or worse) has become harder and Russia has constituted itself as a beacon for right wing authoritarianism a legion of right wingers have jumped on the bandwagon.

 

To be clear, I mean that they pick up Russian disinformation and fall for it and spread it. Yes, they believe it. They're just not GRU agents or something of that sort.

 

RT is not as reputable source. Anyway, who cares about Russki stuff?

 

RT unlike the MSM, gives us news - and that's what I want, not the MSM journalists turned stenographers version of the news. There are people though who like to delve in ignorance, but that's okay, that is their choice.

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Take that you fools of misery,
for we are gods of lofty see,
and dwellest not like folks below
who knowest not, but what we show -

In the media that is. - Jeannette

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It doesn't matter if you're a motherf***ing Russki agent who better likes Russki propaganda stuff than real media. All others prefer media from free and democratic countries.

 

Ahhh, the ignorance. But then again, that's what propaganda does. You realize that the Russian Federation consists of 123 different languages, and they are all taught in the schools of their respective districts - as are the religious faiths of the different regions. The Muslim Republics within the Federation have been given special rights. Why do you think they all love Vladimir Putin?

Washington has tried continuously to arouse the different districts and break up the Federation for their own self interests, but to no avail.



Those voices, those voices
they keep telling me:
"Fear Putin they say
for what you can't see".

Is that him up there!
Oh no he's down here.
My God I think he's everywhere.
Aghhh! - Jeannette

 

Probably because brother Volodya goes fishing without clothes.



what a hero, lol

 

Don't think for one minute that the Russians do not know everything that is going on, whether it's sabotage coming from the Ukrainian mafia's or its cohorts. As Putin said with the sanctions, Russia will respond, but never in a way that will be detrimental to the Russian people. The same could be said for the Russian people in Ukraine and in Israel - why do you think Putin allows Netanyahu to bomb Iranian facilities in Syria?

There is such a thing as humanity that Putin has and we lost when Jack Kennedy died. That's when the criminals took over.

 

When Vladimir Putin was forced to go into politics to save Russia, he asked an American public relation firm what he should do to attract voters. Well one of the things they said was to show that he was an outdoor he-man like Bush.

You're looking at a Russian version of an outdoor he-man.

 

Why would he ask an American public relations firm about impressing his fellow Russians? As a former KGB officer, surely he already knew more than some American PR company about such matters.

 

Mass murderer Pootin as philanthropist. Don't know if I should laugh or cry.
Russki Bull**itter makes my day, LOL

 

Only you believe that.

The fact that it has 100+ languages should be clear to you about Russia, it's history and ongoing on.

All those different people would brake away in a second if they were not boot pressed, you are fooling none. The only connection they have with moscovites are some relatives because of the repopulation and cultural genocide.

As for the Russian people loving Putin, give me a break. They don't love the alternatives, which putin makes sure they aren't, and likes strong man because it's a cultural thing. I'm not sure they have fair elections too.

You aren't fooling anyone but I like your perseverance. You keep trying like you are on a payroll. The day you will post something bad about Russia, a little thing, - because all nations have some, I will change my mind.

 

I had my suspicions about you, now you’ve confirmed them.

 

Here is what I said about MI7 proving that you are wrong:

Fact: I read in the Vineyard of the Saker about 5 days before the shoot down of MI7 that Kiev had moved 4 Buks into the Donbass area and he couldn't understand why. I found out later from another source that it was 6 not 4, so the Saker made a mistake.

Fact: Obama immediately blamed Russia and said Ukraine had no Buks. A lie!

Fact: I read in the Vineyard of the Saker a day before the shootdown of MI7 that the separatists had the Ukrainian army trapped and gave them a 24 hour ultimatum to surrender with certain demands.

Fact: The next day the Saker was expecting to read that the Ukrainians had surrendered when news of the shoot down of the airliner took over the news.

Fact: When the investigative reporter Robert Parry of Consortiumnews asked his contact in Washington Intelligence what they knew, they said they couldn't understand why Obama was putting the blame on Russia. Everything they found points to some rogue group in Ukraine.

Fact: The Intelligence agent told Parry that in the photograph they have of men manning the Buk, they are wearing Ukrainian uniforms. They couldn't understand it unless the Russians put on Ukrainian uniforms to deceive others.

Fact: Robert Parry said that a shady Cypriot company Burisma Holdings, was passing big bucks in Washington to keep the blame on Russia for the shoot down. When he checked to find out who owned it, it turned out to be the Ukrainian oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky.

Fact: I never saw Obama or anyone else in our government present evidence that Russia or the militia shot down the plane, even though there were 3 government satellites overhead at the time - according to Russia.

Fact: A Russian General made a presentation proving that there were two jets next to the airliner, something that eye witnesses said as well.

Fact: Three months later when Robert Parry asked the agent again if they had anything new about the shoot down, they said no and that everything points to a rogue group in Ukraine. When Robert Parry asked why they weren't revealing the truth to the American people now that they knew that Russia wasn't behind it, he was told that Russia has everything going for it in Ukraine (most of the people are Russians), but all Washington has is its propaganda.

Opinion: Kolomoisky owns the land the airliner fell on, and that he wanted it for fracking. It had been taken over by the separatists at the time. This is why the separatists refused to leave.

Fact: A video that I saw, and that was presented on Australian TV showed a person telling the separatist commander that another plane had been shot down. The commander ordered him to hurry up and get the pilot before he could get away.

Rumor: A Spanish controller said that men speaking a foreign language entered his premises at the time the plane fell and said that he could tell they were involved in the shoot down. He said Avakov the Minister of the Interior knew about the plane, but the Defense Minister didn't.

Fact: Kolomoisky owns airlines and has full knowledge of the airports in Amsterdam and Kiev.

Suspicion: Vladimir Putin's plane which resembles MI7 was coming back from Brazil and it was in the vicinity. Since the airliner was heading in the direction of the Russian military base, the suspicions are that the shoot down was was meant for him.

 

Here's proof of my malevolent intent:

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I'm singing now a wondrous song
To tell the world that right is wrong
and what you thought was naught before
was just a lie that you had bought. - Jeannette

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no one likes to hear truth... it doesn't meld with what they were 'fed'...

 

no we don't, the mainstream media's only goal is to manipulate not to inform. They have proved this over and over and over again. I trust them as far as I can throw them.

 

I appreciate your post, I really do.

The whole MH17 disaster was shady.
I dont dismiss the official and final report about what happened. I know that it can be politically motived, and I keep that in mind.

All you posted is the misinformation at that time, which you gladly spilled in the threads. Misinformation like in this garbage thread. Like I accused you, you keep doing. Over and over again. Nonstop.

Fact is that rebels had BUK systems too, which were used to down some jets before the accidents. You will not post this, and you never did.

Fact is that the investigators decided it was a BUK missile(after alot of back and forths from both sides, which you regurgitated only one side) and identified the codes, which were made in late SU.
Almatey or whatever is the arms manufacturer name then came forward to say that the missile codes were registered to the Ukr Army.

This begs the question that all of what Russia said, what separatists said, was a lie from the beginning, and they knew it. They have spread as much confusion as possible until it was not possible anymore.
This made me think that the ones who did down the airliner were the Russians.
Because they lied from the beginning and finally ended with Almatey saying yeah, okay, but the missile was ukrainian. Should I believe, that from all the lies that were said, the final statement is a truthful one?

I make my own opinions. The ukr gov was criminal because they directed the airliner over the warzone and the russian units disguised as rebels(rebels cant operate a system like that, there is no such thing as donbass rebels actually), they shot it down by mistake.
You wont make me change my mind, I have reached the conclusion alone after the dust of misinformation settled. I might be wrong, whatever.

You throw dust into people eyes, that is your job and I accuse you of that, like you did with this thread.

MH17 disaster like this one shows the complete incompetence and corruption of the Russian gov. Case closed.

 

Of course there are bad things about Russia, for heaven's sake I'm an American I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. It's just that I like Vladimir Putin for what he's done for his country and his people. Also I despise the lies and demonizing that began when Putin kicked out the criminals and tax evaders and they came here. Of course they were embraced.

Anyway I'm just mad at what we're doing in the world, like supporting Al Nusra terrorists when they were conducting a genocide against Christians. Of course not a word in the MSM. I'm glad that Russia is trying to stop the excesses of our unipolar world - although I am frightened about a depression. I wish Washington would pay more attention to our economics, than our military and trying to maintain our power.

 

This post I like, most of it

I think you mistake Putin for what he truly is. Whatever. Go travel to Russia if you havent. Talk with the locals. Ask them about Putin. Ask and find out stories. Ask their neighbors and former brothers like the ukrainians about russians or putin.

St. Petersburg's white nights are surely magical, but you ll be surprised about the other things.

 

This is evident in a chart I came across the other day. You can see how inequality spiraled out of control in Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union, then stabilized under Putin. Today in the US there are more inequality than Russia, of course the mainstream media would never tell you that.