What's up with Nunes and the rush to inform Trump?

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    The lack of professionalism on the part of Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) is stunning. Apparently, he discovered accounts of conversations concerning Trump when he was reviewing intelligence reports brought to him by an unidentified person. He instantly alerted House Speaker Paul Ryan about the collection and quickly headed to the White House. He did not inform Adam Schiff (D-CA), ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee. Nor did he inform anyone on the committee before rushing to inform Trump. Saying that was odd behavior is an understatement.

    "This is a normal, incidental collection, based on what I could collect," Nunes said. "This appears to be all legally collected foreign intelligence under" the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. He quickly informed everyone who would listen that this did not involve the Russians.

    That seem a bit odd as well. Here we have the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, which has been investigating Russian interference in our election for months. We have the collection of evidence authorized by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, and this does not involve the Russians? Unfortunately, we have only Nunes and an unknown source's word for that because he was in such a hurry to inform Trump and hold a press conference no one else knows what he is talking about.

    “I have seen intelligence reports that clearly show that the president-elect and his team were, I guess, at least monitored,” Nunes told reporters. “It looks to me like it was all legally collected, but it was essentially a lot of information on the president-elect and his transition team and what they were doing.”

    This seems perfectly logical if Trump and his team were suspected of colluding with the Russians.

    "Because what I saw has nothing to do with Russia and has nothing to do with the Russian investigations, (and) has everything to do with possible surveillance activities ... the President needs to know these intelligence reports are out there and I have a duty to tell him that," Nunes said. That may be true in Nunes' mind, but it is entirely likely that he didn't do the President any favors.

    Nunes seemed more concerned about who did the unmasking of Trump's team. Bearing in mind that all diplomats, including our own, are spies, it seems important to know the names of Americans who were speaking with Russian spies.

    Democrats were incensed by Nunes' behavior, saying the House Intelligence chairman, "blew what little credibility he had left with this pathetic charade."

    "This isn't an investigation; it's a protection racket for Donald Trump and his fragile ego," Democratic National Committee Senior Adviser Zac Petkanas said in a statement. "All Nunes has achieved is to prove that we need a real independent investigation and to raise serious questions about why the Trump team was in communication with foreign individuals under FISA warrant. It's time for an independent 9/11 style commission and a special prosecutor. Now."

    Incredibly, it was Donald Trump himself who started this controversy. Two weeks ago, Trump asked Congress to investigate whether Trump Tower was wiretapped by his predecessor.
     
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    "all diplomats are spies"?

    Evidence of that please.
     
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    Obama the anti American planted moles everywhere before his term was up.
    Nunes was just giving Americans the heads up because they know what dirty Democrats are up to .
     
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    Nunes did that as a perversion diversion to get the heat off the investigation.
     
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    The stench of rotting fish, or maybe caviar gone bad, is starting to get people's attention. Republicans have a penchant for poorly constructed corruption. Brace yourself, we haven't gone deep enough.
     
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    A spy is a a person who collects and reports information on the activities, movements, and plans of a foreign power. That is one of the duties of diplomats. In a general sense of the term. diplomats are spies. That is why they are watched closely by the host nation and often their phones are wiretapped.
     
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    Right, blame it all on the Democrats, and, despite Trump himself cheering on the Russians during the election campaign, and the Russians helping Trump, there was no connection to the Russians.

    That is what you are saying. Does that make sense to you?
     
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    Time for democrats to apologize to Trump. The sack of **** Obama and his admin did "wire tap" Trump and his election comm.
     
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    Will Obama issue an apology to Trump????????????
     
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    Golly it wasnt the Russians after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just crooked democrats.
     
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    As usual, Trump and Trump surrogates made matters worse for themselves. Trump says he is relieved to find out members of his staff were under investigation via a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. He is relieved? Honestly, is he that dense?

    Nunes’ actions created “enormous doubt” that Congress can handle an independent investigation into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 presidential election. Schiff said he will ask House Speaker Paul Ryan about creating an independent commission.

    Schiff said that Nunes was the only person on the House Intelligence Committee to see the newly discovered intercepts before the press conferences. He also underlined how unusual it was for Nunes to share information with the press and the president before speaking with the other members of the committee.

    Put a different way, Nunes' actions were really strange. He acted more like Trump lackey than a senior member of the House.
     
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    Clearly, you haven't been listening. Did you even read the OP? Doesn't sound like it. Your boy is in trouble.
     
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    I would agree. It's hard to believe what Nunes did. It is so blatant. Some might question his intelligence.
     
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    Seems to me Nunes is breaking the law in revealing an ongoing investigation.
    Since the Repugnant party is all concerned about leaks - are they going to do something about Nunes???

    MY FAVORITE - so, some form or nefarious behavior was going on, and a legal surveillance was being conducted and one of the "bad guys" contacted Trump - AND THE TRUMP CHUMPS ARE CHEERING!!!
    They think this means the so-called president wasn't lying about being wiretapped!!
    How thick can some people be???!
    It provides more evidence of the rife corruption in this regime. The wiretap wasn't on Trump - but Trump was talking to the corruption suspect who was being tapped.....
     
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    I see it differently....Nunes actions clearly show he is interested in the truth and from Trump's statement that you posted...."Trump says he is relieved to find out members of his staff were under investigation via a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court."...Trump is also in favor of finding the truth.

    It seems obvious that the investigation was nothing but a witch-hunt banging the bushes for hidden Russians. The problem is that Obama suspiciously opened up intel sharing among agencies that never shared before. Then the Obama administration applied for and got FISA warrant. They 'wiretapped' Trump Tower before and during the campaign. Those taps were leaked which Obama knew would happen after he let so many agencies share intel.

    The real story is about the leakers and what Obama knew and when he knew it. It wasn't the Russians trying to influence the election it was the same old Democrats applying their slimy tactics through their well-oiled propaganda machine.
     
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    Actually, compared to some others in the Repugnant party, he's above average.
    Louie (goober) Gohmert
    Imhofe
    Steve King they are certifiable...
     
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    What is funny as hell is all the twits claiming Trump lied are now running amok trying to come up with 10 cent excuses why they were flatly WRONG again!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Naw, Nunes didn't break any law that I know of because he didn't divulge the contents of the leaks. This created a problem for Spicer in his press conference. He criticized reporters for concentrating on the process of Nunes actions, not the substance. Reporters didn't know the substance of the surveillance. Only Nunes did. As of ten minutes ago of this writing we still don't know what was in the communications. Would it have been better if he had kept his mouth shut?

    If Nunes still has not shared the contents of the intercepts, what is he hiding? Collusion between Trump's staff and the Russians. Nunes insisted yesterday that the Russians weren't involved, but we know that foreign nationals were involved.

    Today, Nunes is changing his story. Now he says he does not know "for sure" whether President Trump or members of his transition team were even on the phone calls or other communications.

    In his haste yesterday, did Nunes fail to realize the implications of his actions? His committee has been investigating the Russian interference in our elections for months. Whatever he saw involved communication between foreign nationals and members of Trump's staff, or so he said yesterday. Is he now changing his story to protect the White House?

    We know he apologized for his actions yesterday. Does he now regret them?
     
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    Inelegantly worded. Perhaps OP should've said that all diplomats are widely-regarded as both intelligence sources by their governments and sources of counter-intel by the host countries.
     
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    Other than Trump, in what way was anyone proven wrong? In his rush to protect Trump, Nunes confirmed there was some interaction between foreign nationals (Russians?) and Trump and/or members of his staff.

    Trump was foolish when he said he had been vindicated. There still is no evidence that Obama had him wiretapped or surveilled, but Nunes confirmed interaction between Trump's staff and foreign nationals.

    In case you missed this, his staff was caught up by "incidental collection," meaning his staff wasn't wiretapped. The foreign nationals were.
     
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    That is exactly how I should have worded it. Thank you. I need all the help I can get.
     
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    Well, you have a point there.
     
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    I disagree. Trump, and now Nunes, have thrown up too many smokescreens, beginning with his wild accusation against Obama. The whole story of that is ludicrous. He got his information from three entertainers. He kept changing the story. After Comey's testimony Monday, he changed it again.

    His staff colluded with the Russians. That is the truth, but has that been discussed recently? No, it is all about his extraordinary allegation, the fallout from that, and now Nunes improbable and strange actions. Trump does not want the truth about his Russian connection to come out. It's possible he could be impeached if it did.

    "Then the Obama administration applied for and got FISA warrant. They 'wiretapped' Trump Tower before and during the campaign." That is totally false. Haven't you been listening? The chiefs of the FBI, NSA, and DNI have said there was no wiretap of Trump Tower.

    Are you one of those Trump sycophants that just make things up, whatever suits your argument at the time? Either you are remarkably misinformed or you delight in misrepresenting the truth.
     
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    This is surreal. Rep. Jackie Speier, a California Democrat , said Nunes apologized at their meeting Thursday morning. Nunes also promised to provide the same information he's viewed to the committee members but did not offer a specific timeline. Nunes is keeping information from his own committee?

    Nunes, a member of the Trump's transition team executive committee, set off a stunning new political controversy Wednesday when he headed to the White House to personally warn Trump about the revelations. Nunes met with Republican members of the Intelligence Committee before his news conference, but did not share information with the Democrats on the committee.

    Nunes should be sanctioned by the House for his actions yesterday and today. He should be removed as chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.
     
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    Right...that's it...disagree then call names...You guys need to get another strategy.
     

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