When does a ZEF (zygote/embryo/fetus) become a person? WHY?

This is a correct analysis. We must first define what a person is.

I claim that if a living human does not exist - a person does not exist.

There are different definitions from subject matter experts ( human taxonomy, bioethics, philosophy)

If we went strictly by the taxonomical definition (Kingdom Domain, Phylum and so on ) the entity would not be a living human until it took its first breath of air.

I think this is overly strict.

On the other side of the coin .. a zygote has almost no characteristics associated with a living human. In fact the single cell at conception will never be part of the structure of the human under creation.

The idea that a human can exist when not a single cell of the body of that human has yet to be created ... seems patent nonsense.

I would say that when conscious is there .. a living human exists. This happens around 22-24 weeks.

 

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better.

 

Well, it isn't here now and besides, it has absolutely nothing to do with abortion or women's right to have one...


How are those "pilotless cars" working? ...and how soon will we have pilotless airplanes? ........will you be the first aboard...??

 

OKgrannie said: ↑
A fetus is not a human being; a human being has a brain capable of directing its bodily functions so that it could be self-sustaining if necessary. A fetus is "human" (adjective) but NOT "a human being." It is those who force women to continue an unwanted pregnancy by means of law who are punishing a woman. There is no logical reason why a woman should not be legally allowed to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

YES, FACTS can, and should, make people feel better , like the statement you quoted....the poster is not saying that to "feel better", she posted that because it's true.


......and you didn't offer one word of refutation, just an irrelevant trite comment based on "FEELINGS" ...

 

Using your logic

A one year old isn’t separate? Yes, I’ve seen so many walking around attached by their umbilical cords to their mother, other wise they would starve. I know he answer...put the zygote up for adoption. Or daddy can raise it like he can raise his toddler

 

Why does it matter if you throw away an acorn or cut down a big oak tree....after all they’re the same thing to you
Are you really comparing writing a check to going through pregnancy and it’s dangers raising a child for 18 years?

 

And keep thinking a zygote is a cute little toddler....if it makes you feel self righteous

 

I never said a zygote was a toddler. Those are your words. Facts matter.

 

Do you have any?

 

It is clear that from the time of cell fusion, the embryo consists of elements (from both maternal and paternal origin) which function interdependently in a coordinated manner to carry on the function of the development of the human organism. From this definition, the single-celled embryo is not just a cell, but an organism, a living being, a human being.

The American College of Pediatricians concurs with the body of scientific evidence that corroborates that a unique human life starts when the sperm and egg bind to each other in a process of fusion of their respective membranes and a single hybrid cell called a zygote, or one-cell embryo, is created.

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/life-issues/when-human-life-begins

 

I had a feeling you'd need a C&P for your "facts"...


Now show me where in there it says a fetus is a person with rights?

Show me where ALL scientists agree when "life" starts(they don't)




The American College of Pediatricians doesn't make laws nor determine when a fetus becomes A human being as in "legal person".

 

If you think they have the same rights then, yes, that is what you're saying.

 

https://www.justthefacts.org/get-the-facts/when-life-begins/

Life - when does it begin?
Human Life comes into existence in just a fraction of an instant. You have a human egg and a human sperm and their sole purpose in life is to meet each other and fuse, to create a one cell human being.
Within this single cell there is an elaborate and complete plan for development.

 

So?

BTW, your C&P says that the parents must be dead if that's when "life" starts...

But the important question is "so?"

 

Should a pregnant woman whose behavior has been deemed dangerous to her fetus be legally punished or forced into medical procedures against her will? A study released earlier this year found hundreds of cases across the country where pregnant women were arrested and incarcerated, detained in mental institutions and drug treatment programs, or subject to forced medical interventions, including surgery.

The study, conducted by the group National Advocates for Pregnant Women, found 413 criminal and civil cases where law enforcement intervened in the lives of pregnant women between 1973 — the year the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v. Wade — and 2005.

https://www.npr.org/2013/11/21/246534132/personhood-in-the-womb-a-constitutional-question

 

Toddlers don't have the same rights as adults do. I do think fetuses have some rights.

Slaves didn't have rights but that doesn't make them less human.

 

What's wrong with backing up facts with a link. You should try it.

 

Yes, they have the same right to life adults do and that's what we're discussing....we aren't discussing their right to drive a car.

Like what?

No, which is why their rights were restored...they were BORN persons.

Taking away a woman's right to her own body ( which is what happened to blacks) is slavery.

 

Only if it has pertinent facts...you presented none to back up

Now why couldn't you address the rest of my post ???? You should try it :

Now show me where in there it says a fetus is a person with rights?

Show me where ALL scientists agree when "life" starts(they don't)




The American College of Pediatricians doesn't make laws nor determine when a fetus becomes A human being as in "legal person".

 

A point?



Do you have any opinions?

 

Fetuses have the right to life. In some states, late term abortions are illegal.

 

You're full of opinions. Do you have any facts?

 

No , they don't have any rights.

They do have some protections which puts restrictions on late term abortions.

That means that if a late term abortion is performed to save the life of the woman it's legal.

 

I stated several, none of which you could refute.

 

Please look in a mirror....even if it scares you.