Where could the Jews have gone?

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  1. Pennywise

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    The films that were shot after Germany fell, showing the emaciated prisoners, were people who were sick with typhus and/or starving. People throughout Germany were starving due to allied bombing destroying the infrastructure and agriculture.

    Many prisoners were non jews and many of all races were political prisoners as well.
     
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    Awesome personal attack. To try and get the story correct is not to deny. The numbers of victims of Germany (and there were many true victims) became grotesquely inflated during the so-called Nuremberg Trials, which were not trials so much as they were pony shows.

    I don't know anyone who thinks nothing happened, nor that the idea of putting people in camps is a righteous concept, but The Holocaust™ is something that took decades to fully evolve into the industry it now is.
     
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    I generally no more get involved with Holocaust deniers then I do with other Conspiracy Theory believers. Generally they see the world through a funhouse mirror, and it rarely has much resemblance to reality.

    Such as the lack of understanding between starvation and malnutrition. Some people seem to think those in prisons were as good off (if not better) then most German citizens. Reason does not good with these individuals.
     
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    So, when there is not enough food to go around, you think it should go to prisoners before average citizens? That the prisoners should be "malnourished" and the free population "starved"?
     
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    Translation: They were only jews, who cares if they starved"?
     
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    Well it was a little more complicated than that. For example if you immigrated to the US, you had to pay a years worth of income tax in advance in Germany. There were a lot of restrictions about what you could take or even sell before leaving
     
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    However when the general population was on about 1200 calories a day and prisoners 500. It get hard to justify when the prisoner has actually committed no crime short of being born
     
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    And most had been living there for hundreds of years. Most of them thought as themselves as "German", just as most Catholics in the US think of themselves as "American". How many people from any country would simply up and move because things got tough, without realizing how tough they would be in the future?

    Imagine the nation of Myopia suddenly started restricting the rights of Zoroastrian's. It was slow at first, but over several years more and more steps are put into place. Eventually they are forbidden from marrying anybody that was not Zoroastrian, buying and selling to anybody that was not Zoroastrian, eventually stripped of all rights of citizenship and being essentially stateless people inside Myopia.

    And each time, telling themselves that the rest of the Myopians would not stand for any more restrictions. That is what happened in Germany.
     
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    Absolutely agree. And Hitler was smart here. Initially he went after the Communists, Catholics and trade unions. Effectively he chopped the head of any group that would have been organised enough to stop what was happening within Germany. And people dont realize there was a real pattern in what happened to the Jews. Hitler would go years without even mentioning them in speeches. But whenever he needed to hand the German people difficult news, he'd ratchet it up on the Jews again.
     
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    Translation: I have no response to your post, so I will throw out a strawman.
     
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    Again, do you think that the proper response would be to instead starve the general population? Prioritizing the citizenry at large above prisoners seems like a no-brainer, regardless of the reason for their incarceration. Any government depends upon the citizens accepting, to some degree, the situation in which they live. Prisoners are not given that consideration, especially in wartime. It's just a fact of life, and in no way unique to Nazi Germany.
     
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    Then dont give them a full day's worth of manual labor. Otherwise the underlying tone of the punishment becomes obvious.
     
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    You should have posted your response to me, as I am clearly the target of your post.

    No one is denying anything, and "holocaust™ denier" is just another trite little attempt to kill discussion and save the jewish fantasy of 6 million for all eternity.

    Bad things happened to all kinds of people in Germany during WW2, some jews, many non jews. But the jews co-opted the events to make it "shoah" and forever use the war as reason to push their own agenda. Read THE HOLOCAUST INDUSTRY for starters. Written by a jew, BTW.

    And then ask yourself why the hell we have a Holocaust™ museum on the mall in DC. We had nothing to do with it. A museum that was erected and funded largely by tax dollars, before any talk even of a WW2 memorial for the Americans who were lost. You see nothing wrong with this picture?
     
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    The target was actually any racist who stupidly believes that the Holocaust never happened, and tries to find a way somehow to justify the systematic murder of millions of individuals.

    But if you think the shoe fits...
     
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    It fits.
     
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    http://barnesreview.org/wp/archives/572


    Madagascar is the place most spoken about as the 'final solution' a possible Home Land for the Jewish peoples but it was not the only choice, for years World Leaders had been discussing possible solutions, Uganda was another.

    Germany was, during the War, moving those Jews who had not left Europe East, some were in fact resettled East, sadly for them after the War they found themselves in the hands and at the mercy of a bigger monster.

    You need to read some good 'revisionists' to put the puzzle together, good luck, for it is a painful journey, the one to truth :)
     
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    Or, you can do what normal people do, and buy books by real historians, with real credentials.
     
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    It seems that Zionists needed only young and healthy Jews, old people and children were regarded as "economical dust".

    There was no money to resettle all Jews.


     
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    They could get their money when they arrived in Palestine.

    Hitler factually contributed to the creation of the Jewish state by transferring Jewish money from Germany to Palestine.

    About 60.000 Jews moved to Palestine and transfered about 140 Millionen Reichsmark from Germany to Palestine.

    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ha'avara-Abkommen



    But what about the USA?
    USA was a big country, there were a lot of rich Jews in the USA and a lot of land to resettle them.
    There were other options, like the Madagascar Plan. Why was this plan dropped?
    Why did Zionists not use the opportunity to resettle the Jews to Madagascar? Why were they so stubborn and accepted only the resettlement to Palestine?

    It seems that Zionists only cared about resettling Jews from Europe to Palestine, and some of them were even ready to fight against the Brits on the side of Hitler to implement their plan of creating a Jewish State in Palestine.

    Soviets were also asked to take 2 Million Polish Jews in 1940, but they refused (according to this site).

    The Zionists even asked the Soviets to expell the Arabs from Palestine, they were ready to pay for the resettlement of 2 Million Jews, but only to Palestine.

     
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    I wasn't talking to you Uri, allow each to make up their own minds. Through your Holocaust Myth freedom of speech has been taken away from most but we all have, even if it is all we have, freedom of thought.
     
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    Errr, yea. Deportation. Not only that, deportation to territory that Germany did not own or control. Forced eviction from the place where they have lived for hundreds of years.

    I guess you thought the Trail of Tears was a good thing as well.

    And yea, "Resettled East", nice euphemism for the concentration and death camps. I would not call being put into cattle cars and shipped hundreds of miles and placed into prisons "resettled".
     
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    Sorry anyone who says the Jewish fantasy line is lumped with all deniers who have been proven liars.


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    Yes and his scholarship has been called dreck. He is one in a long line of Jews who attack Jews because he hates himself. I feel bad for him. What I think is funny is he said all kinds of horrible things about Israel and then complained when they said he couldn't enter the country.

    Ignorant people who say things like this because they hate Jews is just wonderful.
    The museum was built on land donated by the federal government and funded with more than 200,000 private donations, the Museum is the product of a strong partnership between the government and private philanthropy. As required by law, all funds for planning, constructing and equipping the Museum were raised exclusively from private, tax deductible contributions.

    So why don't you take your misinformation somewhere else.
     
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    Let me check something...
    Yes, just as i suspected, it is still a public forum.
     
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    Where could the Jews have gone?

    Straddling the border between Texas and Oklahoma. Plenty of room for everyone ;)
     
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    Significantly, Islam is the majority religion there.
     

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