Where would you place yourself on the 'Godometer' scale?

Well this scale just doesn't work for me.

Probability dictates there is a 1 in 10^178th chance a GOD exists in any form man has described it.

A Statistical Impossibility exists at 1 in 10^150th so.....

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Good for you mate, it shows you've got a flexible mind, able to rise above fixed ideas and stand as a modern-day giant descended from the ancient great giants of old..
"There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown" (Genesis 6:4)

 

Modern Humans are MUCH LARGER than any ancient man.

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Yes, both physically and mentally. It's as if a Master Geneticist (God) tweaked human DNA to improve the species-

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Jesus said- "And even the very hairs of your head are all numbered" (Matt 10:30)

 

What I wanted to say is that buddhist don't see buddha just as a slighty wise man with good insights, if your christian faith make you better and stronger, good for you, but I couldn't someone mistalk about the faith I was raised in.

 

This is your belief and opinion but not fact.

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Specifically for the Christian god I am 0.

Specifically for the Jewish god I am 0.

I have no idea what the Judeo-Christian god is.

 

Ah, you beat me to it!

 

Like I said Probability dictates such a god to be so unlikely that it is beyond the chances of a Statistical Impossibility at 1 chance in 10^150th and for those of you who are not sure what that means it is 1 chance in a 10 with 150 zero's after it.

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There is no difference. You have arbitrarily asserted existence based upon your own hunches and guesses.

I do enjoy your presuppositional stance though.

 

nope anyone can say anything or claim anything like the christian god man jesus

 

Yeah, the Jews got what was coming didn't they.

I thought that this kind of thinking had died out, clearly not.

 

I think if people started acting like this was all the time they have then I think we might be nicer to each other with the exception of the Sociopaths who are my JOB to remove from the Gene Pool.

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For a probability to be considered there has to be a possibility, that possibility does not exist for those versions of god.

 

Well in a Multiversal System ANYTHING is possible.

Probable? Not so much.

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If you read Josephus' narrative he pretty much says that, AND HE'S JEWISH.

And this was 13 centuries BEFORE the Spanish Inquisition !!

 

Josephus was a christian forgery

When discussing the alleged existence of Jesus , one piece of "evidence" that frequently gets mentioned is the account of Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish general and historian who lived from 37 to 100 C.E. In Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews there is a notorious passage regarding Christ called the "Testimonium Flavium."

"Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,--a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day." (Whitson, 379).

This brief piece of evidence which supposedly contributed the best "proof" of Jesus's existence has actually been proven to be a fraud. It has been demonstrated continuously over the centuries that "Testamonium Flavium" was a forgery manufactured by the Catholic Church, and was inserted into Josephus's works. The Testamonium Flavium account is so thoroughly refuted, that biblical scholars since the 19th century have refused to refer to it, unless to mention its false nature.


Josephus was certainly not a Christian, and so it is unlikely that he would have used phrases like, “if it be lawful to call him a man,” or “he was the Christ.” The majority of scholars of early Judaism and experts on the writings of Josephus believe this was likely touched-up by Christian scribes at a later time.

 

As far as I am aware, Christians and Jews do not assert that their gods live in another parallel universe, I may be wrong?

Anything is not possible, we simply cannot assert that; you could however say that it may be possible.

Saying that anything is possible is making an assertion based upon a premise of ignorance but, that ignorance regresses. Things are either possible or not and that is not contingent upon our knowledge or lack of so you are not justified in saying that.

 

Ignorance is saying something cnnot be possible in an infinite system.

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I don't see the point, how does that justify it?

 

No it isn't. Making an assertion of possibility with no knowledge of what is possible is a guess about reality. Reality is not contingent upon our knowledge of it and things are either possible or not, if we don't know, we shouldn't say that they are either way.

Rules of logic fly out the window as soon as you make an assumption of infinity but, I don't understand your concept of infinite system anyway since systems have boundaries and something infinite does not have a boundary.

 

Jesus came to save peoples souls, but Buddha didn't.
Spot the difference?..

 

It's the belief and opinion of some scientists too..-

"A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature."-Fred Hoyle (British astrophysicist): The Universe: Past and Present Reflections. Annual Review of Astronomy and Astrophysics: 20:16.

"There is for me powerful evidence that there is something going on behind it all....It seems as though somebody has fine-tuned nature’s numbers to make the Universe....The impression of design is overwhelming"- Paul Davies (British astrophysicist), The Cosmic Blueprint: New Discoveries in Nature's Creative Ability To Order the Universe. New York: Simon and Schuster, p.203.

"As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?"- George Greenstein (astronomer),1988. The Symbiotic Universe. New York: William Morrow, p.27

"When confronted with the order and beauty of the universe and the strange coincidences of nature, it's very tempting to take the leap of faith from science into religion. I am sure many physicists want to. I only wish they would admit it."- Tony Rothman (physicist),Paradigms Lost. New York, Avon Books, p.482-483

"When I began my career as a cosmologist some twenty years ago, I was a convinced atheist, I never in my wildest dreams imagined that one day I would be writing a book purporting to show that the central claims of Judeo-Christian theology are in fact true, that these claims are straightforward deductions of the laws of physics as we now understand them. I have been forced into these conclusions by the inexorable logic of my own special branch of physics."- Frank Tipler (Professor of Mathematical Physics), 1994 The Physics of Immortality. New York, Doubleday, preface.

"We know that nature is described by the best of all possible mathematics because God created it.."- Alexander Polyakov (Soviet mathematician),Gannes, S. October 13, 1986. Fortune. p. 57

"Here is the cosmological proof of the existence of God – the design argument of Paley – updated and refurbished. The fine tuning of the universe provides prima facie evidence of deistic design. Take your choice: blind chance that requires multitudes of universes or design that requires only one"- Ed Harrison (cosmologist),Harrison, E. 1985. Masks of the Universe. New York, Collier Books, Macmillan, pp. 252, 263.

"Who created these laws? There is no question but that a God will always be needed"- Barry Parker (cosmologist),Heeren, F. 1995. Show Me God. Wheeling, IL, Searchlight Publications, p. 223.

"Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe."- Galileo

"To look out at this kind of creation out here and not believe in God is to me impossible, it just strengthens my faith"- John Glenn

 

It means he's the same God for Jews and Christians..