White House to honor 33 year old Homosexual who had sex wtih 16 year old lad

And your point is what?

They could very well be.

Tell me Sam do you love your mother, is the fact you don't want to have sex with her the only difference between her and your girlfriend?

 

1-People under 18 are considered children.

Second of all, my original point was this-if marriage doesnt have sexual connoations, people wouldn't criticize child marriage being practiced in certain parts of the world.

2- It depends how you define girlfriend.

Like I said before, two people of the opposite sex can be "best friends" and very close emotionally. that kinda proves my arguement regarding what defines a romantic relationship.

 

Why on earth do you believe that?

You can't imagine why a 40 year old man 'marrying' a 5 year old girl might be wrong- even if they don't have sex?

And the specific reason some religious groups are against same sex marriage is usually portrayed as because "God" said marriage was between a man and a woman.

 

If your concept of a 'child marriage' is a 17 year old marrying- then pretty much no one has anything against your version of 'child marriage'

However, a 40 year old man marrying a 6 year old girl is offensive to me, whether they have sex or not.

 

What are you implying?

What I'm saying is that an adult marrying a 5 year old is wrong and messed up for that reason alone. Isnt it obvious?

 

The law stating something doesn't mean it's true. Do you really think there's no difference between 18 year olds and 8 year olds in terms of sex and maturity? Are all 17 year olds unready for sex, and yet the average age for first having sex is 17? Looking back, I was certainly ready by 13 or 14, but it likely differs from person to person. So perhaps age shouldn't be the deciding factor even if it is correlated with maturity.

 

Except you didn't say that- ever

If that's the case[you responding to my point that marriage is not only about sex], then people wouldn't condemn child marriage. Then religious grups wouldnt be against same sex marriage.

I leave you to whatever inanity you think you are arguing for- or against.

 

pedophilia is the sexual attraction to prepubescent children. a 16 year old does not fit the definition.

 

No a minor isn't a child. That really depends on your region and what law you are addressing.

 

What do you mean by that?

 

I mean minors aren't necessarily children. Every state is different.

 

What do you mean? The age of adulthood is 18 across the US.

 

Well if you are 18 you are still a minor with regard to some laws.

You aren't understanding the language you are using. A child in Texas is somebody under the age of ten with regard to murder and culpability. A person ten years old or older is not considered a child by that law.

Minor means that you are restricted from something due to your age. So all across the nation a person is considered an adult but still a minor between the age of 18 and 21.

Minor isn't a synonym with child in all cases

 

so why do people act like 18 is some huge age? i don't get it. In NY the age of criminal responsibility is 16 (technically they're men or women i guess), so it's not like society treats 18 year olds much different.

So an 10 yr old in Texas can go to jail for decades like an adult? Never knew they were that strict.

So someone 18 isnt a man for certain issues but are on others? Either somebody is a man/woman or isn't one.

 

We have different age limits for different circumstances. For instance, you can't sign legal contracts until you reach the age of 18. But you can't buy alcohol until you reach the age of 21. Or generally rent a car until the age of 25. A 16-year-old can be tried as an adult for certain crimes, but still can't vote. A 16-year-old might be able to consent to sex in some states, but can't in others until they reach 17 or 18.

I would contend that a someone is no longer a minor once they reach the age of 18, whether or not they can drink legally, or rent a car by themselves.

 

I don't know what you mean by this.

18 is the age chosen in most states to legally purchase cigarettes, enter into contracts and so forth. Criminal liability is what it is. What is there to get?

No, a child under 10 is not culpable.

Didn't say anything about being men or women. Somebody is a minor when they are restricted from doing something because of their age.

 

Isnt criminal liability part of adulthood?

So a 10 yr old in texas could go to jail? Wierd.


So that doesn't make them a child? Isnt there an overalp though? if the law said a 9 year old was an adult because they suddenly had the rights of an adult (i dont know what society would be dumb enough to do that), people wouldnt consider them men or women.

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Based on what? There are circumstances where those under 18 are adults, and those over 18 are minors.

 

No.

Possibly Yes. But more importantly, a 9 year old will not go to jail for killing people.

Agreed. Hence the legal status of minor. I don't think man or woman is a legal status so those terms are irrelevant to this discussion.

 

Then what defines it?

So Texas really has the harshest laws?

I thought it was.

 

Legally speaking, nothing. There are adults minors and children.

You don't pay attention do you?

 

1. The ability in the eyes of the court and medical profession as to whether a person has the mental ability to understand right from wrong, even a 50 year old will not be prosecuted for a crime if they are found to be mentally unfit ... look up mens rea

 

Mentally ill people can still know what they do is wrong. So youre saying Jeffrey Dahmer wasnt evil-thats ridiclous.

 

Perhaps but it will be nearly impossible to prosecute them to the fullest extant if the law. Ever wonder why Andrea Yates wasn't convicted of capital murder? The defense used the mental illness defense successfully. Regardless of how you feel about it that is the law.

 

Do you agree with that law? I personally think it's stupid. If somebody is that mentally ill, they dont deserve to be part of civilized society.

 

In some cases.

When the insanity defense is successfully used, you generally aren't part of society. Typically you are deemed insane and thus spend time in mental health facilities. So you aren't part of society.