Who Here Are Old Enough to Remember Back Alley Abortions?

The woman is not sick, she is not suffering from a disease, pregnancy is not an illness. I know the woman exists, but I also take into consideration of the life growing inside of her, which you choose to ignore. No one claims the fetus sustains itself.
The woman whilst pregnant I think should go see a doctor for health reasons to ensure everything is okay and that there is no complications. However she is not ill, she does not have a disease.
If I go to the doctor for a check up, I do not need to be ill, I am going just to make sure I am alright. If nothing is wrong with me I do not seek an operation whilst I am healthy. I have no need of an operation if I am not ill, neither does a pregnant woman who seeks an abortion it is not an operation to help her get better from an illness, it's an operation of killing the child within her.

 

First off, not every woman can afford psychiatric or psychological care. Second of all, evidence shows that the majority of women who do not want to be pregnant and who have an abortion feel mainly relief after the fact.

You can ask OkGrannie for the link to that one. She's always posting it around the forum here.

Oh and third of all, there are no 'people' in the womb. Only Ovum, possibly sperm, zygotes, embryos and fetuses. These things are not yet people.

 

Well first of if you cannot afford to see some sort of counsellor then that is where the tax payers money should go, it should not go to the holocaust of abortion.
Who says many women feel relief?, many women may feel relief at the time but farther down the line they might fel regret. Also many women also feel regret right after the abortion, and if not regret some feel numb and empty within. I have no need to ask OKGrannie for anything. I could list endless sites that are pro-life, or support that stance and can give statistics of women that feel regret and depression because of their abortion. The only thing is you would say that was pro-life propaganda, welll it works both ways.

So tell me when exactly is it we become people?.
Before birth?,
After birth?,
when a baby is 1,2, at what time is it exactly?, because no one who supports abortion can seem to agree on the time period.

 

We become people when we are born.

 

Tax payer's money only goes to abortion under certain circumstances in the US according to the Hyde amendment. By the way, I am a tax payer and so are many of the choicers on this forum and so are many of the women who have had an abortion. It's our money too and I am actually perfectly fine if my share of taxes goes to cover women who need an abortion and especially towards other female healthcare.

Holocaust is a very inappropriate term for abortion. A holocaust is the SYSTEMATIC mass genocide of a certain group or ethnic group of people. Also the Greek word for holocaust actually means "sacrifice by fire". I am pretty sure abortions are an individuals choice of action and they are not performed with fire of any kind. Seriously though. What is with lifers and the need to compare abortion to the holocaust? It is not even remotely similar.

The women themselves.

Most women do feel relief afterwards. And we all feel regret about past things in our lives, that is only natural. With time most women come to accept that they made the right decision though.

After birth. When you are born you are now an individual with rights and the whole shebang.

 

Pasithea said,

PP does what it wants to do…it is a moral-less cell pool of people who do not value life who love the power abortion gives them. Of course you want and believe taxes should go towards abortion…your pro-late term abortion….YOU WANT IT ALL. ARe you also for infanticide?

Oh yes…let's walk on tiptoe…as not to tick off the pro-aborts with certain terms…God forbid they can't even use the word kill for abortion because terminate sounds much more user friendly. Do you know how abortions are performed? Heck you can google abortion and watch one. Sure you have dumb suggestion on my part.

I would say abortion is a slaughter that involves people who are pro-abortion…who mainly are RADICALS who don't value life and more than likely also bash God. But I am guessing…how close am I?

Of course I am not talking about all the wonderful, kind and loving…abortion lovers on this forum. Sigh…..


The women themselves…feel relief at the time who knows…. they are the ones that live with what they did…and take it from me…women regret abortion. They have their lives to think about it…something they never will forget.



"Most women do feel relief afterwards. And we all feel regret about past things in our lives, that is only natural. With time most women come to accept that they made the right decision though."

Oh bonkers….come on. You are speaking for a lot of people…who you can't even begin to figure out how they feel. You guess thats about as close to this topic as you can get. You have no idea how ones feels who has gone through this. Will you feel regret about your pro-death stance concerning the innocents in the womb?
How do you know women believe they made the right decision. LMAO

I think people forget that you are for abortion up until its born naturally…nine months. So for you the unborn is NOTHING.

 

You know Planned Parenthood isn't the only women's health clinic that provides abortions, right? There are others.

MY TAXES. You can do whatever you like with yours.

Making up words again I see? And the only thing I want is freedom for all humans to have 100% authority over their own bodies.

Nice straw man.

Care to provide that dictionary definition of pro-abort please? I am still waiting for it. Once again, Merriam Webster is a fantastic website for definitions. Please post it.

Yes I am fully aware of how each and every type of abortion is performed. Is it somehow relevant how they are performed?

I would say abortion is the termination of a woman's pregnancy. I would also say that those who choose abortion don't really have any deep political views at all and are just going about their daily lives. They are normal average every day women you meet on the street, at your workplace and so on. They are mothers, daughters, sisters, grandmothers and other people just like us. I would guess that more than you'd like to believe are actually religious as well. I mean you had an abortion and you are religious, so that should give you an idea of what kinds of women have abortions.

Nobody LOVES abortion just like nobody LOVES having to have open heart surgery or any other surgical procedure performed on them.

Some regret it some don't. Regret is a part of life. We can't stop people from doing every single thing they might regret because well, that would take all the living out of life now wouldn't it?

My mother and aunt had an abortion after they were raped. They do not regret it. My mother is even happier that she had her abortion because she was prepared to kill herself before that. She is glad she had it so she could find the will to go on living and have three children that she loves very much afterwards. So you can sit here all day and cry about how you think we know nothing about women who have made this choice but two important women in my life made this choice and they are quite happy and regret free.

How have they forgotten when I have made it quite apparent that I do not favor any laws on abortion?

And why do you care about the time frame in which a woman has an abortion? You keep making it quite apparent though that a fetus in the ninth month is somehow worth less than one in the first. Why do you keep bringing it up like it's different somehow?

 

Sorry I need to make a correction in a sentence in my above post. "And why do you care about the time frame in which a woman has an abortion? You keep making it quite apparent though that a fetus in the ninth month is somehow worth more than one in the first. Why do you keep bringing it up like it's different somehow?"

That is the correction. Thank you. =)

 

She may not be "ill" in the traditional terminology but her body is going through a vast array of physiological changes - any one of which can trigger maladaptations that lead to illness. Pregnancy, like old age can be a precursor for illness

 

Why should she need "counselling". Just because she has made a decision that you do not agree with does not make her in need of counselling.

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And women can feel regret after birth - in fact they can and sometimes do feel suicidal, psychotic etc. There are plenty of stories out there of abandoned or abused children who were left in the care of women who regretted a pregnancy and took it out on the child

When they are no longer potential but actual

 

Potential…actual? LMAO

Are you potential or actual? LOL

Women can be just suicidal period…does not matter or make a difference if they are pregnant or not.

As for counseling……
PP clinics give you literature so that if you have emotional trauma…you can get help. LOL THEY DON'T OFFER IT…THEY JUST DO THE KILLING.

Why offer counseling services if abortion isn't anything?

 

Potential…actual? LMAO

Are you potential or actual? LOL

Women can be just suicidal period…does not matter or make a difference if they are pregnant or not.

As for counseling……
PP clinics give you literature so that if you have emotional trauma…you can get help. LOL THEY DON'T OFFER IT…THEY JUST DO THE KILLING.

Why offer counseling services if abortion isn't anything?

 

If someone is under stress and suicidal and feeling pressure because they are pregnant that last thing they should do is go through an obtrusive operation like abortion. They need counselling unless you believe having suicidal thoughts is not serious. Having an abortion could leave a woman more traumitised. And instead of funding abortion people should be funding ways in order to help these women in their time of need rather than funding killing an innocent life within them that is not a solution, but may well be only the begining of their problems.

Exactly if women can feel regret before and after birth then money should go towards counselling. Thank you for helping me in my argument.

But a fetus is actual it is not figment of our imagination, otherwise there would be no need to have abortions if it was not actual.

 

So the criteria comes down to location does it?.
Exactly why is this?.

 

Calling it "location" is oversimplifying the distinction to an absurd degree. Prior to birth, a fetus is a connected completely dependent part of it's mother's body. If you want to take that and strip it down to "location" then so be it, but misrepresenting something in an overly simplistic way does not change what it actually is.

 

It is not oversimplifying anything that is exactly what peole who support abortion are basing it on. Inside the womb it is not considered a person outside the womb it is. I am not misrepresenting anything that is how it is. Tell me is it a person before or after the unbilical cord is cut?.

 

Yes, you are oversimplifying. Birth is the culmination of NINE MONTHS of development toward full viability, the point at which a baby is physically independent from its mother. It changes from having its nourishment, oxygen, detoxification of blood and maintenance of homeostasis supplied to become an air breathing individual. It comes into the world and becomes a part of society.

 

My neice was born at 23 1/2 weeks…what was she? Not viable? She lived to tell the story I hope you know. And she is not alone…today statistics show that children born at……

http://miscarriage.about.com/od/pregnancyafterloss/a/prematurebirth.htm


WAY BEFORE NINE MONTHS. 50% at 25 weeks….and in ONE WEEK..jumps to 80%.

And after the child is born….it needs more attention than it did in the womb. No child who is born can survive without help. It is totally dependent on someone else for everything.

 

And many of those extreme preemies maintain lifelong handicaps over their very short lives. Survival statistics don't tell you about the "Severely retarded and blind until their painful death at age 2" thing.

 

Or it's possible that a fast abortion is exactly what's required to end the suicidal thoughts. Someone actually concerned with the woman would examine each case, instead of making a blanket announcement of what must be true.

 

They are not extreme….why don't you research this. I gave you stats on survival rates..didnt you read them? My niece meets every few years with the staff of the hospital where she was born. They study her case. There are others like her and they keep in touch. She was on a Red CRoss calendar years ago…celebrating life. She was one of hundreds featured. She is in perfect health…some vision problems…glasses and prescriptions but that is it. She is also petite…nothing wrong with that. She is studying to be a doctor….So don't tell me kids don't make it who are born this early because they do.

You pro-aborts poo poo anything that is miraculous…YOU NEVER CLAP AND CHEER FOR LIFE…like my niece. YOur worldview is sad and depressing.

Painful death at two? LMAO

Ya know you are a trip. I am at the hospital yesterday because my sister had surgery…and I am standing out in the hall waiting for the doctors. A little girl about four walked by holding her mothers hand. She had half a head full of hair which made me think she had cancer. But I would be if you asked her parents…were they glad that they had her…and not wished for death in the womb so that she would not have to suffer…or to save their suffering…I bet they would not change a thing. You pro-aborts think death is better than anything…you celebrate the "what ifs"….what if the child will not be perfect…what if she dies.
My other sister who lives in another state went through a horrific week. One of her closest friends lost her four year old little daughter. Put her to bed and she died in the night. They have no clue what happened. They are in agony the worst kind of pain imaginable…but I bet they cherish every second they had with her. Should we not try to save anyone? Not save the preemie because SOMETHING MIGHT HAPPEN?

Your worldview is so so sad.

 

Why are you so upset that I simply pointed how the real world works? "All preemies just go home and live happily ever after!" is not how the real world works. Deal with it. Being part of the reality-based community, I don't do the comforting lie thing.

You're getting hysterical. Clearly, people need to stop telling any kind of truth in your presence. From now on, only unicorn-and-rainbows pro-life PC bullcrap is allowed, and absolutely no references to the real world will be tolerated.

 

No I'm not oversimplifying what the pro-abotionists are saying is that inside the womb it is not a person, outsode it is. I have already done the discussion about physical independence and as I have already stated a baby of 1 week is not physically independant. The type of dependency may have changed but the baby is still dependant.

 

In the real world life is not pretty, we should all take responsibility for our actions. We cannot just live carefree existences were we do as we please and not take responsibiltyfor our actions and we should care for the existence of human life.

 

mammoth said,

And you think you need to point that out to me? LMAO

How the hell do you know what happened in a neonatal unit dealing with preemies? What expertise do you bring to the table? I gave stats on this. I AM NOT NOR DID I EVER SAY ALL OF THEM GO HOME…THAT IT IS NOT HARD. My neice was in the hospital for ten months…before coming home. She then was not allowed except to go to the doctors office to go out into public. She was on a heart monitor for over a year. The entire family had to take special classes on how to hold her and take care of her. So what? Today she is a junior in college…and she blends into the college population…you would never know she was born that early. You are saying kids like her are not worth it really because she inconvenienced family friends and the medical community. That is what your saying…was the trouble worth it. You are saying no….that kids like her should not even get the chance to make it.

Oh I see your not the comforting type….LMAO.

Oh please….and your side speaks the truth? LMAO Your not on the side of life…your on the opposite side.

I stand up against people like you because of your position. You just don't like it and want to shut me up…which you will never do.