"Who's gonna pay for Medicare for all?" is either stupid or disingenuous

Why do you think asking me the same question, after it’s either been answered, or pointed out it’s a strawman, is in any way a valid argument?

 

Uh, not it most certainly has not been. I just provided a citation showing every other country with single payer gets better care for a fraction of our cost.

 

Did you answer? Do certain people have super-special rights to take their neighbor's property?

 

Why do you think asking me the same question, after it’s either been answered, or pointed out it’s a strawman, is in any way a valid argument?

 

Cuz the law

 

Answe. You've eluded for a long time

 

Oh yes, I saw your answer up above. You told me that certain people have super-special rights to take their neighbor's property. I disagree with your position. I hold that each of us has exactly the same rights. None of us has any right to subjugate our fellow man.

 

No, this is an intentional misrepresentation of my position.

 

You "pointing out"?
You have me in stitches tonight.
Wanna come over for beers?

 

Oh, sorry. I thought you said that certain people have a special right to take their neighbor's property. Now I understand you to be saying that nobody has any special right to take his neighbor's property. I agree with you.

 

I’d prefer scotch or Jameson.

 

Bring the cigars

 

This is an intentional misrepresention of my position. One more, and it will be reported again.

 

Cubans?

 

You just said that nobody had the right and he agreed with you. Geez

 

I asked earlier, and you answered. You told me that there are certain special people who have the right to take their neighbor's property.

As you said, "Asked and answered."

 

If they bring food

 

No, I did not. It’s why you guys can’t actually quote me saying the **** you make up.

 

I never said any such thing.

Which is correct

 

Okay, so let me ask you a question: Does any individual have a legitimate right to extort his neighbor?

 

that is not really true.
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...g-health-care-system-crossroads/#.XCA9jlxKi1s


Take japan for instance, the government does pay for most of the costs, not all of the costs are paid by government. And costs are alarming Japan.

Japan also makes citizens pay according to their incomes for costs.
Japan’s buckling health care system at a crossroads
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The inauguration last month of Donald Trump as U.S. president and his plan to repeal the 2010 Affordable Care Act, known as “Obamacare,” has left many people here wondering: How does Japan compare?

In Japan, health care has long been likened to air and water — givens often taken for granted. Like all other developed countries except the United States, Japan has universal coverage, which means everyone is covered by the public health insurance program.





The government has long boasted that Japanese health care is first-class, affordable and helps extend its high life expectancy rates. In 2016, Japan was ranked first in the world in this category, with the average life span hitting 83.7 years.

“Our nation has achieved an average life expectancy and health care standards that are at the world’s top levels,” the health ministry declares on its website, citing four main features of the system: insurance for everyone — regardless of pre-existing conditions or economic status; free access, meaning patients are free to choose any hospital nationwide; high-level care at low cost; and the use of public money to maintain it.

But a closer look at the system tells another side of the story.

As informal surveys by The Japan Times show, the Japanese health care system, the basic structure and regulatory mechanism of which have changed little since universal coverage was achieved in 1961, has its own set of shortcomings and flaws compared with systems abroad.

Not only that, its rapidly aging society and shrinking ranks of premium-paying workers, coupled with the arrival of new drugs and technologies fetching phenomenal prices, are putting immense strains on the system, experts say, making its sustainability uncertain.

Under the Japanese system, everyone must join a public insurance program through their employer or municipal government and pay a monthly premium that is determined by income. In exchange, they receive access to government-approved medical procedures and prescription drugs, for which they pay 30 percent of the cost or less.

Though premiums have risen over the years, medical services have been affordable for most people. Unlike in the U.S., stories of people going bankrupt due to medical bills are unheard of — at least so far.

A case in point is an unprecedented decision made by the government in November to halve the official price of Opdivo, a biotechnology-driven lung cancer drug.

Costing ¥35 million per year per patient, there were fears that its widespread use could drain state coffers. But while the move sent shock waves through the nation’s pharmaceutical industry, not to mention knocking down stock prices of Ono Pharmaceutical Co., which developed and markets Opdivo, patients have remained totally unaffected.

Under the public insurance program, people undergoing costly treatments are exempted from paying more than a certain amount determined by their income level.

 

Japan on your list is not single payer.

 

Based on Japan, i venture to say you did not study those countries. Japan for instance on your list is not single payer. Citizens are first taxed. Citizens then have 70 percent paid. And Citizens then pay 30 percent. Hardly single payer.

 

Nobody is talking about extortion.

 

I just showed you that it is true.