Why are our young men so effeminate?

Women are more risk adverse as compared to men as a general rule. The attrition of males during war causes an over-abundance of females and we are seeing those effects as our society becomes more feminized.

Liberals have seized on this as a political ploy to ensure voting blocks an promoted 'safe' everything. We are now at the pinnacle of that with an effeminate, black, male President pushing cradle to grave care for the masses.

 

World English Dictionary
effeminate (ɪˈfɛmɪnɪt)

— adj
1. (of a man or boy) displaying characteristics regarded as typical of a woman; not manly

I think the explosive growth of male homosexuality may be an indicator that young males are being culturally and institutionally conditioned to adopt more feminine characteristics. I'm certainly not insinuating all gay males are of flaming queen or cross dressing homosexuals and acknowledge there are many homosexuals who exhibit masculinity physically and behaviorally, however to engage in physical intimacy with a male is traditionally a feminine role.

(blue italics - this is not an insult but an identification of sub-groups within the gay community and acknowledgement that these sub-groups do not represent all gay men or gay activity)

The number of boys being raised in gay households by gay couples has also risen dramatically in the past two decades. It is common knowledge (ask parents) that sexual education, especially discussion encompasses gay activity at younger and younger ages exposing and normalizing this behavior.

Competition, especially in the 1990's has also been marginalized and in some instances removed from public institutions. Current academic thought criticizes male cognitive ability stating the erosion of connectors between the right and left hemispheres in the male brain caused by a 'wash' of testosterone in utero hampers the male ability to effectively utilitize whole brain thinking. I believe this denigrates masculine intelligence as inferior to feminine intelligence confusing authority figures and those under their influence concerning the strengths of male or masculine intellect.

The term sissie is a derogatory inflection pertaining to feminine behavior in males. As such I'll ignore the reference.

No links, but perhaps some thoughts pertaining to the topic.

 

This thread is ignorantly retarded. It has failed to substantiate ANY of its claims. This entire thread is a collection of highly biased, often politically charged, anecdotes and opinionated drivel. I'm happy this is the 503rd post, since this will be amongst the last of this rubbish discussion.

 

I would tend to think your post is just "a collection of highly biased politically charged and opinionated drivel", to quote from a self appointed authority.

If there are any specific arguments or statements you take exception to, I would read your words and seriously consider their merit. To make negative blanket statements though doesn't do anything but erode your own credibility. (imo)

 

That thought would be poorly placed. There are around ten or so pages from earlier on of extensive discussion involving me and others in which NO ONE supporting the claims of this thread could provide ANY evidence to back them up.

I'll start with the obvious; what is the tangible evidence that can be studied that shows a rise in men becoming 'effeminate'?

 

Liberal Males would rather give you a "Reacha Round" than a Smack around.

 

Well, since the term effeminate itself is to a large degree subjective, it's probably very difficult to come up with 'tangible' evidence that can't be accused with some validity of being subjective. On an aside, you appear hostile as in confrontational, perhaps even slightly belligerent, is there a personal issue involved in this?

Anyway, I am one of those who from personal experience (ie. I've lived through this shift in cultural mores) as well as observation do believe how we treat males (young and mature) has changed in our society where traditional masculine behavior has been demeaned.

I will attempt to come up with some examples when I have more time.

 

There was a time in the storied history of America that gays or effeminites were'nt allowed to join the military. With the advent of 'don't ask don't tell' by liberal president Clinton, and with having women become combat soldiers upon joining our military--the masculinity that was always associated with our military took a turn toward the sissification of our very manhood/military.

Imagine how our revolutionary soldiers/patriots would have faired in fighting the British had they allowed women and or sissified bone puffers to handle and fire weapons during that era.

 

I agree the traditional role of defender/protector has been diminished in one sense, however I believe this dynamic does still play out in actual practice to the detriment of males. Women have made in-roads in traditional male roles but I believe often do not/cannot fulfill the expected requirements associated with these roles (ie. combat, fire-fighting, law enforcement) - In actual practice, although men must compete for these roles, they also have to fill in the difference for the requirements of the role some women cannot meet.

You bring up a good point which illustrates what I believe is a reverse-discrimination against males in this country. Males have always been 'expendable' from an evolutionary standpoint which I believe is unconsciously reflected in society. The male puts himself in harms way to protect women and children and regardless of popular rhetoric concerning pure egalitarianism, society still expects this. However where once, males we're acknowledged for this contribution and masculinity acknowledged and honored , now their contribution is publicly denied, ignored or taken for granted and masculinity is demeaned as juvenile, dangerous or potentially criminal.

hmmmm, after previewing this post I'm thinking I probably just painted a target on my chest for attack as mysoginist and/or ignorantly misinformed as well as neo-con conservative. I hope people are open minded enough to read what I've said and consider it rather than attempt to paste me with incorrect labels.

 

We've had liberals running away from the liberal/socialist label for some time now. You should take pride and have honor in calling yourself an all American Conservative...which I'm sure you do.

 

Nope.

I am a proud Liberal in the original sense of the word, before it was coopted by the socialists in this country who have now moved on to the term Progressives. Those who seek to destroy the rule of law under The Constution of the United States use a term until people figure out what they really stand for, then move on to another.

You should look up the term Liberal in The Road to Serfdom by F.A. Hayek which if you haven't already read, is a great book.

I suspect you are a Liberal too as most freedom loving patriots who believe government, especially the POTUS, regardless of party affiliation should be held accountable to the legal restraints defined in the Constitution and all laws including the Patriot Act which illegally infringe upon our Rights as clarified in the Bill of Rigths be nullified by 'We the People' of the United States of America.

 

I see you're a rookie here. Of course we all know what the term classical liberal refers to for which I am one. The 'Lib' protion of my moniker here refers to liberalism in its current form.

 

Just try substantiating some aspect of the claim then. That much at least, you should be able to do.

I'm just bored with the repetitive 'yes its true, its so obvious' responses here that are NEVER substantiated with anything other than biased anecdotes.

I agree to an extent - at least with your premise. I think social views have changed, BUT I dont think men are more 'effeminate', rather that values of leadership and independence have been subjected. But these values are not 'male' in my opinion. Whilst they have been often socially designated to men, that doesn't mean only men can have them. In this way, what it is to be 'male' and what it is to be a leader, independence, capable etc, have been conflated. There are values I see subjected, but I dont see that as 'men becoming effeminate' I see it as 'society becoming submissive' - but in this tendency, I dont see much of a difference between the underlying mob mentality that this lack of traits establishes, and the state of society before such a change in social values - ie, society has always been bound by some form of sheep mentality. The difference today is there is some kind of loss of individual initiative. I dont see how this can be called 'effeminate' however unless the values have been conflated with CONTRIVED gender roles, as seems readily apparent here.

I dont want examples, I want some tangible data and general evidence to substantiate the claim.

 

Your ignorant partisanship and sexism is most intriguing. You know, women have fought many wars, with quite ruthlessness. One good example that comes to mind are the warrior women of late feudal Japan that fought as monk-soldiers. They were extremely violent and effective. Your gender role mentality is quite funny actually, and the fact you try to attribute everything bad to "liberalism" (which the US was essentially founded on anyway) is also quite entertaining.

 

LOL! You're saying liberals are on par with socialists? haha how absurdly ignorant. And in regards to conservatism, you obviously haven't read something like Hayek's 'why I am not a conservative'.

 

"liberalism in its current form" is not really liberalism and in its most important features is essentially no different to "conservatism in its current form"

 

Lo-T doesn't mean that you are destined to be impotent. There are supplements out there like:
http://www.newvitality.com/shop/ageless-male.aspx

The ad says it will put the spark back in a young man's plug. Cheers.

 

If you think that dressing up like a Japanese woman would bring back the mojo for you then go for it lad. Best wishes.

 

Wow you suck so hard at debating you are still going on with your sad ad hominem. haha man I recon you were serious fodder for the jokes of kids at school. Maybe its the fact I'm 19, know more than you AND can debate better than you but maybe even worse you might actually have health problems, I mean why else would suggest specific pills?

ROFL Good luck to you mate. You need it.

 

LOL I find it so interesting how you manipulate my points to discuss your strange sexual fantasies. I wonder what happened to you to make you so strange.

 

MD - Today men are portrayed in mainstream magazines and media in "glamour" images you didn't see prior to the 90's other than in sub-culture punk and gay venues. Makeup and other vanity products are now produced, marketed and sold directly to men. Average men and boys wear makeup, not just pop culture icons and I have noticed in the schools my children attend, many of the boys wear girls clothes, mostly pants but some blouses - I noticed this because my daughter pointed out her friends shirt buttoned on the left side like hers.

No, this is not scientific data. Pop-Culture dynamics are harder to quantify and I don't know of any studies out there paying specific attention to this trend. I would argue that pop-culture is in some ways more "immediate" a barometer than academic studies but acknowledge as you point out, interpretation is much more subjective.

Cologne ads are a good example of what I mean by 'glamour' and 'vanity' images of men. A cologne advertisement appealing to men in the 70's or 80's would picture a rugged man and allude to a proficiency in actively pursuing the target of interest - todays ads are much more stylized and project alluring images of men enticing or attracting rather than pursuing targest of interest.

I know these distinctions are subtle and perhaps more than a bit of a stretch as tangible data, especially without examples. I think the shift in perception though is subtle.

 

All you have shown, to which I essentially agree, is that cultural trends have changed. You haven't shown how this has been a rise in femininity, in my opinion.

 

Don't cultural trends reflect the attitudes of society?

 

You got to take a break from that sugar high and stop drinking the kool aid. Today's liberal and today's Conservative are polar opposities in every political sense of the comparison. Lets get past the political basics and move on to all the reasons to hate what today's liberal is doing to destroy America...shall we?

 

Sure, along with other tendencies.