Why hasn't Zimmerman been arrested?

Just so. Astute.

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How do you know Martin's way was blocked?

 

We got an innocent kid who did nothing wrong and would not be dead now but for Zimmerman going after him.

I agree under the SYG law its a loser. That's why the law is an abomination. It lets killers get away with murder.

 

I don't. But if Zimmerman were standing back away from Martin and not confronting or blocking him in his path it doesn't seem likely that the altercation would have occurred. The girlfriend's description of the conversation suggests it but that is not proof.

 

SYG does not include going out your way to provoke a confrontation. Zimmerman can still argue self-defense in court. However, he should not be immune to charges of homicide according to SYG.

WRONG. It is very relevant.

 

All we know is that Zimmerman confronted Martin. And there is no evidence to suggest that Zimmerman's account that he was attacked is false. And suggesting that Zimmerman somehow provoked an attack simply by confronting Martin is about as weak as suggesting that a woman is provoking rape for wearing a short skirt.

 

As previously indicated, because there is considerable evidence suggesting that he went out of his way to provoke the confrontation.

Indeed, there is. It is right there in the statute.

 

and Trayvon could have told Zimmerman "****" and continued on his way... but he chose to fight. If Zimmerman tries to detain Trayvon then, that's different, and again, will completely change my stance and opinion, but there is simply NO EVIDENCE that he did.

SYG is not a loser in this case because it simply does not apply since Zimmerman had a right to ask questions, but when the attack started, he couldn't escape since he was being dominated....

 

Actually, there isn't.

 

A "not guilty" does not mean innocent.

 

if someone is in my neigborhood looking suspicious, I can confront them and ask what the hell they are doing. If they don't like it, they can leave, explain what's going on, call the cops, or end up eating skittles 6 ft under..... that's up to them

 

I will agree with that 100%


Casey Anthony
OJ Simpson
Michael Jackson

However.... that's the system we have and innocent until proven guilty is 11tybillion times better than guilty until proven innocent

 

Confronting an individual is not justifiable provocation for assault.

 

Them's fightin' words.

SYG should not apply.

 

EXACTLY


Seems young Trayvon protested way more than you would normally expect an "innocent" kid to protest. It's almost like he got caught about to do something and went into fight or flight mode.


I got a question... not that I think Trayvon stole the skittles and tea, but who's to say he just came from the store after purchasing them...


Meaning... maybe he was just wandering the neighborhood casing the area, just so happened to have skittles and tea and that the entire "just went to the store to buy candy for his brother" was an alibi created by the family AFTER THE FACT to give him an actual reason to be out and about that late at night.

 

Anyway here is the statute.

Zimmerman was not engaged in an unlawful activity. Once he was attacked (which occurred after the confrontation), he had the right to stand his ground and met force with deadly force.

I see no reason why SYG does not apply or why it is relevant that Zimmerman confronted Martin nor is it relevant whether Martin felt provoked. Zimmerman was breaking no laws. Zimmerman was lawfully being where he was. And as far as we know, Zimmerman was attacked.

The only thing that matters is who attacked who. If it had been Zimmerman who began the physical altercation, he'd be in jail.

 

That may be true. However, it should disqualify you from SYG immunity if the person you are confronting has done nothing to initiate or provoke the confrontation, and turns up dead by your hand as a consequence of the confrontation.

 

why not? You have to sugar coat all responses to people that look suspicious as to not to offend them? lol


that's fantasy right there.

 

Unless the confrontation was unlawful it should not disqualify you. Attacking someone is unlawful, confronting someone is not. There is no equivalence between the two. You should be able to confront an individual without fear of assault. One is the action of a law abiding citizen and one is the action of someone who is breaking the law.

I think the law is exactly as it should be and I'll post the statute again.

 

We can speculate all day long.

There is evidence that Zimmerman went after Martin after the dispatcher told him "we don't need to you to do that".

And we have a innocent 17 yo who is dead.

Disagree for reasons stated.

 

I agree that I do not know all the facts. Yet two individuals can get in a fight and one get killed without a weapon. The other individual can and very often does get manslaughter for that. As I said a jury should make the decision but my honest opinion is he could have avoided this incident.

 

You have no evidence of that. That is just your speculation.

 

What is self defense?

IMO, it when you are minding your own business and someone attacks you leaving you no other choice but to fight back.
You can be forced into defense of an area that you are in in which someone brings force upon you or person within range forcing defense.

Otherwise, we have paid law enforcement that is available within 5-10 to handle threats that are potential but not immediate problems.

Self defense should not be considered in incidents provoked by person or that could be reasonably avoided. Those events leave too vague of a line and with both persons having consideration of self defense, a person pursuing and initiating an incident that causes harm or death to other parties should be treated as a criminal.

 

speculation 100%. Nobody can say which way he went.... still doesn't matter since he's still allowed to confront.


911 telling him "we don't need you to" is for ZIMMERMAN'S safety, not a "we don't need you to because it's against the law"

 

Why do you all act as if it is proven that TM attacked GZ?