Why hasn't Zimmerman been arrested?

Nothing DOES contradict his account...

And I make it a practice to not go around calling people liars unless I have a good reason to do so.

Your only reason for calling him a liar is because you have an agenda and don't care about the truth.

My only agenda is truth.

 

Here is a definition of self-defense that maybe will help you out.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/_/dict.aspx?word=Self-Defense

 

I didn't say I believed his story 100%..... but there is simply not enough evidence.

 

I don't. But I have no reason to doubt that Zimmerman's account is true. And assuming Martin began the altercation, Zimmerman is legally protected in using lethal force.

There is certainly no evidence to suggest that Zimmerman was not acting in self defense.

 

And so, it may very well be that a killer gets a way with murder.

Under the old law, Zimmerman would have had an obligation to avoid the situation and retreat before using deadly force.

Then a prosecutor would have a case to take to a jury, because it sure doesn't seem like Zimmerman did that.

 

Now that is irrelevant, isn't it.

 

"This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about."

Yep... sounds like he was just walking straight home to me...

 

You mean other than the fact of his history of violence against police and domestic violence and was a copy wanna be and the fact that he (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ed about how black kids always get away and went after Martin after he was told we don't need you to do that and confronted him, and other than the fact that his freaking life is on the line?

I guess other than that, you have a point.

 

The truth is that Zimmerman should be disqualified from immunity under Florida SYG by the weight of the available evidence.

Whether he is lying or not should be determined in criminal and civil court.

 

Untrue. Under any law, Zimmerman was fully within his rights to follow and confront anyone suspicious in his neighborhood, and well within his rights to use any force necessary to stop someone from assaulting him.

We know that Zimmerman called for help, and none came.

SYG has nothing to do with this, despite your agenda.

 

No, THIS is the statute. The bolded part (which I linked earlier) being SYG which applies to this incident.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ng=&URL=0700-0799/0776/Sections/0776.013.html

 

What evidence is there Martin was on drugs? None.

It sounds like Zimmerman is fabricating facts to make his complaint seem more serious.

 

What evidence contradicts Zimmerman's account?

No reason to believe he is lying unless you have an agenda to push, because nothing that we know about this case contradicts any statement that Zimmerman made.

 

The section SigTurner cited comes after the section you cited and applies to it.

 

Well, if you want to go there, then there is the jewelry, wedding bands and diamond jewelry and what was considered a tool used for breaking in found on T when he was searched for a marker that he used to deface property. The reason he was suspended.

You need to go back and listen to the 911 tape where you can clearly hear Z quit panting after the operator told him they did not need him to do that. The story is that T came back and confronted Z. But no doubt, you know more than the evidence and know more evidence than is available.

 

Why would Z telegraph his plans for cold blooded murder to 911?

I haven't read any reports that say he is retarded.

What % of cold blooded murderers call the police FIRST?

DUH.

 

ok, here is where I can see some issues of disagreeing between us.


was deadly force justifiable....


Some may say no..... using the "he was just a kid" or "xx pounds lighter"


I argue Trayvon could have killed Zimmerman in that reported full mount position with just his fists, elbows with subsequent head trauma to Zimmerman. Argue over weight difference all you want, but 6'2 and whatever weight says Trayvon was plenty strong enough that he could have SERIOUSLY injured, even killed Zimmerman, whether it was intentionally, or unintentionally....



I can tell you, enough peole have died in that position witnesses say Trayvon and Z were in that if I EVER find myself in that position, I'm shooting too, if I'm able.

 

How is saying the kid seemed suspicious or on drugs fabricating a fact? Obviously something seemed amiss to Zimmerman or he would not have dialled 911 regardless the quality of his judgement. You are just saying silly things now.

 

I don't think that it applies at all. Under Zimmerman's account, he wasn't utilizing SYG, because Martin had him pinned to the ground. You're not making a choice to stand your ground in that case, because you have no choice at all.

That's just standard self-defense.

 

Under the old law, you do not have the right to use deadly force in self defense in a situation you can avoid or retreat from.

It certainly does not appear to me Zimmerman avoided or retreated from this situation but provoked it.

Has it been conclusively established it was Zimmerman calling for help?

Disagree for reasons stated despite your agenda.

 

You keep resorting to irrelevancies for your argument.

 

(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.

Problem is, from the 911 tapes we know that Zimmerman was not acting reasonably as the statute requires. When you know what a proper act is (i.e., knowing that neighborhood watch rules forbid carrying a firearm or confronting individuals; knowing that police procedure is not to follow as instructed, and knowing that police asked you to meet them at a specific location) and you consciously disregard that knowledge under the law of mens rea you are NOT acting reasonable. You are acting Reckless. Thus, Zimmerman does not get the protection of the statute.

He then falls under common law self-defense, however, common law self-defense states you can NEVER use lethal force against non-lethal force and, of course as we all know, Martin was unarmed.

 

It's not silly at all. There no evidence that Martin was on drugs. Zimmerman saw a black kid walking through the neighborhood and is trying to make him sound more sinister.

 

Thanks for sharing your opinion. I disagree with it.

 

Zimmerman shot to death a 17 year-old kid who was apparently doing nothing more than walking home in the rain.

What are you kidding me?

You have every reason to doubt his account. He could be facing homicide charges. Need I remind you that Florida is a DP state?

Why in the world should you make such an assumption?

That is not the issue. The issue is: "Should he be immune from prosecution under Florida SYG law?"

There is ample evidence to suggest that he should not.