Why is Covid relief bill gridlocked?

When you pay a tax, IT IS NO LONGER YOUR MONEY.

in FACT, it never was your money.

Why? Because per the constitution, the state has a legitimate claim on a portion of incomes.

When a tax is paid, it becomes collectively owned, as in 'we the people'.

Then we entrust elected officials, 'the consent of the governed' to spend it for the public good.

That's the system. Get over it.

 

I forget what him and Pelosi are fighting about but it's something stupid and nothing to do with Trump who wants to spend more than all of these guys. Something tells me that Trump's way would actually be the most helpful but I am not an economist.

 

Mitch the rich Kentucky bitch doesn't want to give states any tax relief.

 

You've covered a lot of McTreason's motivation. The other part is, just as he did while Obama was trying to revive the economy after inheriting the recession from Bush, Mitch does not want a big enough stimulus to help the economy as a Dem is set to take office. It's a repeat of the Repub economic sabotage we saw all during Obama's first term.

 

At issue is McConnell wants to shield companies from liability, if they don't follow CDC guidelines and cause Covid as the result.
Also at issue is the stimulus checks and money for states because Covid has drained their treasuries,

 

Pelosi has now stated that she didn't want an agreement before the election and then said she would consider a smaller bill. Now the reason to hold it up is the run off elections in Georgia.

Many targeted bills have been blocked by democrats because they want to bail out failed democrat cities. Ask yourself why the richest democrat counties get money from the Pelosi bill?

 

You are right. In fact, the labor of my unborn grandchildren doesn't belong to them either. When someone is murdered, it is no longer their life. When someone steals your belongings, they no longer belong to you.

 

Well, except for Pelosi's admission you might have something.

 

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Tuesday backed off his demand for businesses to get coronavirus-related liability protections as part of a year-end rescue package.

The Kentucky Republican urged Congress to pass an aid bill that contains neither legal immunity nor state and local government support, two roadblocks to lawmakers striking a relief deal.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/08/cor...cks-liability-among-relief-disagreements.html

I can't help wondering if he demanded liability protection as a chip he could bargain away to prevent states (all states) receiving the help they need.

 

Dumb take. Republicans were complaining before the election about Pelosi's almost 3 trillion bill she wanted.

 

"failed democratic cities".
That's such an unfair characterization, states across america, their budgets are being busted by Covid.
Sheesh, do you really have to politicize this? Big states and big cities have the greater need, it's just math.

Spare us the hype, thank you.

 

Now that, folks, is a textbook example of the 'strawman argument'.

Congratulations, I couldn't have done better, myself!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

 

In my world. In my view federal government subsidizing anything is beyond its appropriate role. Yet you make assumptions that i support other subsidies. Not true. I don't support any of them.

 

It is just incompetent management regardless of politics. If it were caused by COVID all states and cities would be in the same boat, but not all of them are. In fact very few of them are.

 

If everyone resents paying it, then it shouldn't happen. Obviously you think it should happen so you belie your own statement.

 

Neither do I. I don't believe states pay taxes anyway. They collect them. Now they need to get their spending in line with those collections.

 

Blue states citizens tend to pay more taxes to their state government and yet the blue state government still can't get by while most red states get along just fine. No matter how much money the blue states get, it still is not enough.

 

Bigger cities and states are more adversely affected, simple math, and we have a president who is actively working against any state who did not vote for him. Before Covid, CA was one of the few states with a multibillion dollar surplus. Trump entrusted much of the federal response to his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, despite Kushner's manifest lack of credentials, knowledge or experience. It fell to Kushner and his group to develop a plan for nationwide testing. This is a testament to the incompetence of the president, and you are blaming states that didn't vote for Trump. Spare us the hype.

 

? Well, 'everyone' was a rhetorical 'everyone'. Now that you are pinning me down on the term, let's put it this way:

Taxes never please everyone for one reason or another.

Which makes that statement a moot point, given the above.

But I will say this; as a legislator, there will be times you will be tested, it means doing the right thing whether it's popular or not. It's only natural that the electorate would want the rich to shoulder the greater burden as they have disproportionately benefited from the system.

 

That's way to big of a generalization. Therefore, it's non argument.

 

In other words, no counter argument.

 

Code words for blue state authoritarians that voluntarily imploded their economies via unconstitutional shutdowns in a successful attempt get Trump out of office. They earned their suffering and I feel no obligation to bail them out. Let them fail horribly as an object lesson to the rest of the nation.

The bailout should only be for small businesses and for unemployment benefits. Any other use is morally wrong.... especially when it rewards authoritarians for reprehensibly evil behavior. In a decent world, the bailout would also include a confiscation of 50% of the net worth of all politicians in the federal government for their utter failure over the past year.

 

I'm with Trump, why should he let the Crats saddle his record with another bloated relief/deficit.. Let the Crats get their buddy XI to pony up for all the damage that he is responsible for here in the U.S. and the rest of the world.. I'm sure the Mongoloid and the Brain Bleeder can work out some sort of compensation, not like Big brain bleeder guy hasn't been compensated by the CHINER on other matters

 

But of course, a non argument, by default, cannot have a counter argument.

 

Authoritarian?

That's rich considering a large swath of republicans backed the most authoritarian, anti-democratic and anti-American lawsuit in history, which, the heavily conservative supreme court summarily rejected.