Why so important right now for Athiests?

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  1. kgeiger002

    kgeiger002 Active Member Past Donor

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    I am seeing so much anti-Christian posts right now....why? ....is it so important to crap on our Christian holiday/festivities this time of the year? Athiests claim they have no belief but beg to differ. They definitely have a belief system and it tends to realling manifest itself durring Christmas!
     
  2. Pred

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    For people who hate having religion apparently shoved down their throats, atheists are always very busy being dbags during the holidays.
     
  3. kgeiger002

    kgeiger002 Active Member Past Donor

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    Before anyone gives me a spelling/grammar lesson I realize I messed up here and there....though I think the message is still understood.
     
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    I don't know. I'm an atheist and there's nothing important about this time of year. I just don't care.
     
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    TheImmortal Well-Known Member

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    I'll bet most of the atheists who (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about religion being shoved down their throats don't complain about getting Christmas off of work or school.
     
  6. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Of course not, religion and Christmas have nothing to do with each other.....unless excess is a religion.
     
  7. Nightmare515

    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    I don't think it's nearly as large of an issue as the media makes it seem. The reason why this seems so "all of a sudden" is because the media keeps reporting news stories about it. I'm Atheist and I know quite a few Atheists as well and I have yet to meet one who honestly cares that there is a Nativity Scene in public.

    This is one of those thing that I'm willing to bet would just go away if the media stopped making it out like its a big deal. I'm willing to bet that the majority of Atheists really don't care at all...But of course, as with anything, the loud mouthed minority always takes center stage over the silent majority.
     
  8. Stuart Wolfe

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    As a teacher whose job includes correcting that sort of thing, I grant you absolution.

    For the record, I never play Grammar Nazi unless someone else plays at it and then makes an error while doing so - or if the error is just plain hilarious, somewhere at Freudian Slip territory. As for myself, when I'm off the clock, I don't care overmuch. Sometimes I deliberately put grammar errors in my posts for fun just because I can, even though I should learn to not split infinitives.

    Heh. I actually suggested that very same thing awhile back. If atheists really wanted to stand up for their beliefs instead of just paying lip service to them, they should work on Christmas for normal pay. Predictably, some went nuclear. It was actually kinda funny watching people mock a day based on a religious event and at the same time try to justify why they should benefit from it! :roflol:
     
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    Feel like your holiday is being hijacked?

    So did the Pagans. I personally love Christmas, as I love all American traditions. Of course it has absolutely nothing to do with Christ, which wasn't even his name, as it is not his birthday. Was just foisted on top of winter solstice, but truely... I couldn't care less about such... I am happy to wish folks a merry Christmas, and if it holds religous connotation to you, splendid. Why the hell do I care what you believe? I like all the Pagan traditions you guys adopted, and again don't care what it means to you or, Pagans. Santa ftw.

    Btw read thread creation rules... they are gonna close this one down.
     
  10. Stuart Wolfe

    Stuart Wolfe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isn't getting posts in before the lock also a holiday tradition?

    Oh, never mind - we do that year-round! :smile:
     
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    The leftist/atheist belief system can be summarized with one classic phrase; "Misery loves company."

    These people believe in nothing. So they enjoy nothing. So the only way to make themselves feel better is by pulling the rest of us down with them. Some of them will try to argue with me on this, but deep down inside they know I'm right.
     
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    :) For a delivery guy you sure are good at reading minds...LOL....

    Why do you hate people who don't like exactly the same things you.....do you hate all non-delivery guy people?
     
  13. FreshAir

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    why are you not celebrating your religion, why bother with what Atheists think?

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    I had a great Christmas with family, just celebrated the last Christmas get together today, don't need to be a Christian to celebrate Christmas

    Time to get ready for the next holiday..... Happy New Years everyone

    and for you Christians, have a great "feast of the circumcision" on Jan 1st


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    I disagree here Unifer. I'm Atheist but I am also very happy and I highly enjoy my life. I am by no means trying to disrespect those of you who are religious but I feel as though I cherish and enjoy my life just as much as, if not more, than religious folks because in my heart I honestly believe "this is it". I don't believe that I will go to Heaven and continue on when I leave this physical body. I believe that when I die it will be lights out and thats it. So to me I cherish everything because this is all Im going to get, when its over its over and thats the end.

    I hold absolutely zero animosity towards religious people. In fact I am usually the first in line to fight alongside religious folks against the militant Atheists who are hell bent on taking away your religion from the public eye. My multiple posts on this forum alone in regards to that are proof. I want people to be happy. If following the teachings of Jesus gives people comfort and happiness than I am all for it, who am I to say you are wrong? I despise militant Atheism more than anyone. As I always say, how the hell can something that you don't even believe in possibly offend you? There isn't a single person who honestly in their heart has trouble sleeping at night because it says "God" on dollar bills. And if there is somebody out there that is honestly offended by that then they literally need psychological help.

    Atheists who attack religion do so for the sole purpose of being annoying. But not all of us are like that. Don't let the radical loud mouth Atheists become the manner in which you define us all. As with anything, those who kick and scream the loudest are the ones people hear, but that doesn't mean the majority of us are actually like that. The majority of Atheists couldn't care less about what religion someone is and have way more important real life issues to worry about other than the fact that the 10 Commandments are in DC.
     
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    I don't believe in the Muslims God (which is also the Christian God btw), but I still know that if our government pushed the religion on us it would be a bad thing and should be stopped

    I have no issue with good Christians or good Muslims, I despise people that want to use the power of government to push their religion on the people, especially on other peoples small children

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    I'd have a problem with that as well. If the government tried to put out a mandate saying we are transforming public school into Christian Academies then I would be up in arms. But they aren't doing that. Them having public displays of the Christian faith out there isn't even remotely close to the same thing. It saying God on our money isn't the same thing nor is kids singing Christmas carols in school or saying Merry Christmas.

    For some reason some people think that by them even seeing a religious display that they are having religion pushed on them. As if once you look at it you will magically get instantly converted or something.

    I've always lived by a very simple principle. Don't force your religion on me and I won't force my non religion on you. The difference is that I actually understand what "forcing" something on someone actually is. And almost none of what people are freaking out about is actually it.

    I have just as big of a problem with militant Christians as I do with militant Atheists. Just because someone isn't Christian "like you" doesn't mean they are corrupt, unhappy, evil etc. Just like just because someone isn't Atheist "like you" doesn't mean they are uneducated or stupid or childish etc. Live and let live, it's such an easy concept I don't know why so many people feel as though THEY are right and everyone else is wrong because they don't agree. If everyone were the same the world would be a very boring place, yet that doesn't stop some people from believing that everybody should think exactly like they do.
     
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    then don't be upset if others with differing beliefs ask for the same air time on the public dime, it works both ways

    yes, changing the pledge to say "under God" was wrong, very wrong, very unAmerican, there was no reason to change it so that it only applied to theists and not atheists

    requiring little kids to say "under God" every single morning is brain washing a belief in god on other people children, also wrong, very wrong

    it would be just as wrong if some Atheist change the pledge to say "Under NO God"

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    Atheists =/= nihilists.

    Just because you are too ignorant to know what humanism is, that doesn't mean that atheists "believe in nothing".
     
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    As they say. "The pig that squeals the loudest gets fed first."
     
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    agree, unless a fanatic places it on the court house lawn, then some fanatical Atheist will match them tit for tat, plenty of public places, businesses, churches, private land, ect.. that is avail for these displays and no one would care less

    lets say you were not a Christian and looking for justice in a court house with Christian decorations all over and the ten commandments on the wall, we should not taint are court rooms with religious propaganda

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    The cartoonish version of what an atheist is on this thread is hilarious. But I don't expect much more from many who profess the Christian faith and then act against Christian values. So here is the thing.

    1. Not every who opposes the totality of our public sphere being dominated by Christmas for two months out of the year are atheist. Some a non-Christian but that doesn't mean atheist (though some on this board don't understand that) Public schools and public forums who celebrate and venerate the Christmas holiday but ignore all others are wrong in our pluralistic society and it is not anti-Christmas or anti-christian to point that out. There seems to be a grow sentiment that allowing other peoples a place at the table is somehow evil. Christians, the world has opened to more traditions and they will be reflected in the public eye, even in December. Get over it, like I said before Jesus didn't to water into WHINE.

    2. The notion that non-Christians are hypocrites because they don't work on Christmas is just about the most petty thing I have heard. First, in fact many do.In a lot of cases they take shifts so their Christian colleagues can enjoy the day. For example, a Jewish doctor I was talking to the other day doesn't go on vacation that week (like many people do) even though her kids are out of school to be the one on-call on Christmas. She doesn't have to, she just does. But here is the thing, I close down early the day before and for the federal holiday because most of the world does as well. The Christian people who work for me should enjoy their holiday. If I worked for a company that remained open on that day because it was part of their tradition or because of necessity I would work that way but I would expect that everyone have the same pay scale. Someone suggested discriminating against non-Christians. Funny I wonder how they would react to paying Jews Double or Triple time for working on their High Holy Days where almost no one shuts down, but paying everyone normal wage.

    3. Certain public displays of atheists are merely a response to the constant Christian advertising that takes place all the time. Billboards that challenge the sacred mythology of Christianity are only going to change the minds of those with weak faith. What they are doing is pointing out the deluge of anti-non-christian messages that exist everyday. I drive down the highway and signs tell me and my family we are going to hell. There are listing of the 10 commandments (mistranslated often) in my face all the time. My favorite is the billboard that says "What Part of Thou Shalt Not Kill do you not Understand"==God I really want to spray paint an answer: THE HEBREW. So if you want to tinsel bomb cities and have billboard calling other people sinners, guess what you live in a country that demands rooms be made for those with a counter argument. If you don't like it tough, get over it.

    4. No one, not a single person has the right to stop a private business, individual, or church from displaying or celebrating Christmas in any way on their line as long as it is legal by statute or and covenant agreed to by the owner. I will stand against anyone who tries. A local church has a very elaborate live action Christmas pageant with animals etc. It is well advertised and attended. They hire police to direct traffic and it causes a few minutes of traffic tie ups on a major street each December. NO ONE COMPLAINS. It would be a prime target for the cartoonish atheist that some on this board portray. Instead many attend for the theatre aspect of it. The story is a good one.

    In a year where both TV and Hollywood have created Biblical epics the fact that Christians continue to complain about atheists as if they are committing violence in the name of anti-church is silly at best. Oh and yesterday I walked into a store to see the ST Valentine's day display go up. I guess Christians won't be suffering any withdrawal.
     
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    Great rebuttal to christian bigots, slanderers, and liars.........and other frightened little people...
     
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    I live by a simple principle, too.

    Don't use PUBLIC property or funds to display/promote religion....PERIOD.



    The arrogance of religions and churches to use PUBLIC property, and whine when they can't, is disgusting since they pay no taxes.......and have LOTS of UN-TAXED property of their own to use...
     
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    Since atheist are a religion or cult, I have a complaint. They believe in nothing and they have nothing in the courthouse square. Im offended that they have their religious displays in a government area.
     
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    So much for logic.
     

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