Why so important right now for Athiests?

And you are free to do so on you own dime and your own time.

I would fight for your right to do so.

Why is it necessary to have YOUR religious symbols displayed on OUR government property? What is the purpose of doing so when you have places to display them on your church property and your own private property?

Which is the side saying that anyone who does not believe as they should not be allowed a holiday celebrations and time off with their families and friends and in fact should be forced to work that day and normal wages?

Who fears them?

Which is the side that says you are less an American if you do not hold my religious beliefs?

 

As long as it is done on private property or if in public anyone can display as well then there is no problem.

Why do you say that?

Oh look you made a stupid joke from ignorance.

Again an ignorant statement and in fact the only issue is when government entities allow for only one form of religious expression.

No but I know a lot of christians who profess this.

 

The fellowship of the season which comes from what again ...? Oh yeah, that Christ fellow. Isn't he that same guy atheists say doesn't exist? Why yes, I do believe so. The same one atheists mock. It sure is.

So why exactly do atheists want to take a day off in order to celebrate the birth of a person they mock? Beats me.

ARE they doing it? Sure. SHOULD they? Well - it's hypocritical of them. More accurately, it's more hypocritical of the more militant of them.

Look - I get it. You want to have your cake and eat it too. But don't get mad at me for pointing out the illogic of that same position.

 

Since you don't believe then why do you care about religious symbols?

Sorry to tell you that 95% of people adhere to the idea of a God/Gods, so what makes you think 95% of the people in this world should refrain from expressing themselves and their religion just because you feel offended by something you allegedly don't believe in the first place?

Are you offended by airplanes? they look an awful lot like flying crucifixes..

Do you have any idea how ridiculous your complaints are?

 

You do realize the First Amendment doesn't ban religion?

The government can display as much religious symbols as they want - you know why?

There is no 'separation of church and state' - that was merely a quote from a Thomas Jefferson letter taken completely out of context and has NOTHING to do with our Constitution or Bill of Rights.

Our First Amendment bans a theocracy, it doesn't forbid religion or create an atheist state....

It's sad I have to point these ideas out when they should be common knowledge.

 

I didn't think about that.

 

Atheists don't take a day off to celebrate the birth of Jesus, they GET the day off because it's Christmas.

Atheists don't believe in a god or gods....Jesus wasn't a god so they COULD celebrate his birth if they felt they wanted to...party hats, cake, ice cream, the whole bit as directed in the bible

It's not illogical to take a national holiday off work ........but you're illogical if you think spewing your hate is part of Christmas fellowship, joy and goodwill toward men...

 

You think love of family and friends only exist for Christians and is unique to them alone............my your arrogance has no boundries does. Did your church actually teach you these bigoted beliefs?

We don't, who told you we do?

Apparently not your arrogance blinds you.

 

I care about the mixing of religion and government and the reasons are on demonstration here in this thread. Where did I complain about religious symbols being displayed on private property? Did you miss where I said I would fight to defend your right to display them on YOUR or your churches property of billboards you rent?

No it's not quite that much.

But again why is it even necessary for you to display YOUR religious symbols on OUR government property?

Is that really the best you got?

Do you really have any idea how your making up inane arguments for me is and how sophomoric?

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It bans government giving respect to religion, it is to remain neutral and in return government will keep it's nose out of religious matters leaving that up to the private citizens on their own.

Why do you want government involved in your religion to begin with?

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How dare you, we are supposed to be going to the labor camps to work you know.

 

LOL! You can't even see your own hypocrisy. Geez, your post is nothing but judgemental and quite condescending. Who are you to say anything about Christians or Christianity?

 

I think you're confusing the terms "anti-Christian" and "anti-Christmas". If Christmas is a Christian holiday/festivity, I am Leon Trotsky.

 

Welcome to PF Leon!

 

I have just as much right to Freedom of Speech as a christian....THAT's who I am. Or do christians now think they not only own the country but but want to end fee speech? Any other freedoms you want curtailed in your christian country?

 

Well, thank you, comrade. But if you care to point to one instance in the Old or New Testaments that alludes to Santa and reindeer, I'll agree with you. How's that?

 

You got me on that one. Though I tend to equate Christmas with crazy things like the Nativity!

 

So when Christians exercise freedom of speech they are hypocrites but when you do you are not being judgemental....sad.

 

Such a great point you've made! I've seen atheists, bug-eyed and practically foaming at the mouth with enthusiasm for spreading their viewpoint that there's no "god", and NOT ONE of these hypocrite bastards have ever eschewed taking any holiday that's being dished out.

These are interesting people, and, oddly, some of them are arguably quite intelligent, which just intensifies the enigma:

1. They can't tell you where the universe originated.
2. They can't tell you how old it is.
3. They can't tell you how it was formed.
4. They can't tell you how large it is.
5. They can't tell you why any of this is here.
6. They can't tell you how long any of this is going to last.
7. They can't tell you if there's any other life forms alive in this universe.

BUT -- THEY CAN TELL YOU WITH COMPLETE CERTAINTY THAT NOTHING AND NO ONE CREATED IT! .

 

They might be overwhelming popular right now but I will laugh my ass off when there all burning in hell

 

The universe originated at its center and is approx. 13.5 billion years old and was created by a process scientists have dubbed the "big bang".

the universe is considered infinite in size, but at the very least is 27 billion light years in diameter.

the universe will eventual die a heat death. Calculations on how long with might take are nothing more than scientific wild arse guesses at this stage of knowledge.

while we have yet to detect any other intelligent life in the universe, probability suggests that there should be, and so far observations have confirmed enormous quantities of the necessary elements for life as we know it exist throughout the universe.

the only question left is why is it here? Science doesn't presume to answer that in any way shape or form.
That is strictly the domain of philosophy (religion)

At one time, it was burning at the stake for those that didn't believe that god(s) created famine, flood, earthquakes, disease and calamity to punish the impious. Science demonstrated that in fact these were not "acts of god" despite what your insurance policy might say.

I am an agnostic atheist. In the absence of any evidence I don't believe in any god and most definitely not in prevailing religious dogma, but I don't know definitively that there isn't.

I don't see agnostics (theist and atheist) as a the problem in today's society, but the gnostics (theist and atheist) who make pejorative statements about each other and stoop to pettiness, intolerance and stupidity.

 

So since you dont believe science has fully answered these questions it must therefore be the result of some supernatural being who since the dawn of actual recorded history has refused the reveal himself?

Sounds like the state of medicine about a thousand years ago.

 

Which of these seven questions has "science fully answered"?
Here they are again:
"(Athiests) are interesting people, and, oddly, some of them are arguably quite intelligent, which just intensifies the enigma:

1. They can't tell you where the universe originated.
2. They can't tell you how old it is.
3. They can't tell you how it was formed.
4. They can't tell you how large it is.
5. They can't tell you why any of this is here.
6. They can't tell you how long any of this is going to last.
7. They can't tell you if there's any other life forms alive in this universe."

Hint: "Big Bang" is, like all the rest of them, a theory... and theories are like ********s -- everybody has one....

Oh, and which "holidays" have athiests and/or their prominent spokespeople refused to take free time-off for, since they are so offended by the idea of society making any observance associated with a "god"? This ought to be good.

 

Theories. Got any proof for any of this conjecture? As men of science, we must concern ourselves with facts and evidence, because as I told bluesguy in the post above, theories are like ********s -- everybody has one! And before you get mad, let me remind you that I'm not trying to convince you of anything, but I am asking you to provide proof for what you have attempted to convince the rest of us of in your post above.

Christians are always the first to tell you that their belief in God is founded entirely on FAITH. There's a good deal of proof in the writings of historians and even Roman officials and military personnel of the time of Christ about certain things regarding the existence of Jesus at the time referenced, but very few of them will try to convince you in the cavalier, evidence-starved way that you have postulated all your theories you listed above....

Meanwhile, there it is -- the vast, seemingly limitless universe in all its complexity and enormity. As baffling as it is, nothing is quite an enigmatic as the atheist who says, "Yep, it's there all right -- and I'm completely convinced that nobody and nothing created it!" It is as frankly stupid as it is wearisome. It makes me reflect on the observation that Arthur C. Clarke made in his magnificent novel, "Childhood's End" -- "The stars are not for man...."

 

I didn't assert they have, I noted YOU don't believe they have. So try again.

So since you dont believe science has fully answered these questions it must therefore be the result of some supernatural being who since the dawn of actual recorded history has refused the reveal himself?

Sounds like the state of medicine about a thousand years ago.

 

You should educate yourself on what scientific theory is and no not everyone has a scientific theory.

Electricity is a theory
Gravity is a theory
Nuclear energy is a theory

So no not every has a theory. Scientific theory is the result of measurable, observable, repeatable fact and realizations.

 

Yes, that's why we adopted the "Scientific Method" a long, long time ago. Now, which of your "beliefs" (I won't call them "theories") can explain the seven questions I phrased earlier in this thread.

How big is it?
How long has it been in existence?
How long is it going to last?
Why is it even here in the first place?
Etc., etc.

It's perfectly permissible to say, "Hell, I don't know!" But what is insufferably, and almost despondently ignorant is saying, "I don't know -- BUT, I know for a FACT that no one and nothing created any of it!"