Why the Conservative/Libertarian philosophy is dead

It is a fairy tale isn't it? They are trying to convince Romney and the Republican National Committee that they are right so they will fully engage in that racist way of thought.
All we have to do is stay on target for truth. The votes will follow. People aren't as gullible as the democrats want you to believe. They can be fooled every once in a while. But not for very long.

 

I never called Obama a Conservative. However calling Regan a conservative is like saying Charley Manson is a saint! During the Reagan years he got his massive tax cut through that house and quickly found out he screwed himself and the nation and had to raise taxes every year and still tripled the debt. Reagan was never a conservative

 

Call him whatever your little leftist heart desires, but you can't distort the fact that Reagan was the greatest president of the 20th century while having an 'R' next to his name for Republican.

 

Tripled the debt, illegal gun running, tax raising ever single year but one as President, massive expansion of government? Greatest of the 20th century. Only if you are an idiot! I know righties like to re-write history, I guess in the next 20 years you will be saying how great Bush 2 was. Read a history book Reagan was not the greatest only to neo-cons and a sick ideology of bankrupting the country .....Oh and I forgot gave a bunch of illegals amnisty. pretty much everything Republicans cry about now???

 

Huge tax cuts that will mostly benefit the very richest in this country that will drive up the deficits: check

Big increases in military spending which will drive up the deficits even more: check

Claims of vague, unspecified spending cuts that will hurt the neediest which making a dent in the bigger deficit: check

How is he not a conservative? Every conservative candidate since Reagan has ran on the same pandering platforms.

 

There is something to be said for a president who raised taxes as many times as Reagan did.

 

Reagan is the best President in the 20th Century because people have settled with the Lesser of Two Evils and their own disarmament (Losing the ability to understand they're being tricked). Also you could say he is the best President in the 20th Century because the standards have been set so low... that Nixon would be considered an Average President given twenty years from now.

 

Tax Cuts are needed in the form of ending the inflation and runaway spending... It would be nice to see the Income Tax gone but, the Government likes to hold onto whatever power they can muster... Hell weren't Americans still paying for a War that happened a Century ago? It's sort of like Tolls on Highways that have been established for decades. Why remove revenue? Looks great on paper.

We need a larger Military to launch more bombs on third world countries that pose no threat to us nor have they attacked us. You're just too dumb to understand that we need endless war or this country will collapse. /sarcasm

Romney isn't going to cut anything in reality... he may trim some cash in little areas but, he isn't the sort of guy to make waves.

They're Neo-Conservatives. I like to refer to them as Imperialists.

 

Please explain what tax cuts have to do with inflation, and when they have ever stopped run away spending.

All they have given us is runaway debt.

You'll have to be more specific with your rant.

What did I write that would make you suppose that?

That would be true to form of just about every other conservative politician.

They are panderers, but realists. They know that vast majorities of Americans like things like Medicare, SS, Medicare, unemployment insurance, clean air and water standards, educational assistance, a strong military, and the like.

 

You don't know what the word means.

 

It means a lot different than what it used to mean, I know that.

 

The Truth is that there is no Conservative/Libertarian "philosophy" as these people are not governed by principle but by expediency.

For example, up to just a few months ago right wingers were praising **********s for their stand on government interventionism. They said government is NOT the solution, it is the problem. This is why they attacked health care reform and other forms of social services.

Yet these same geniuses are the first ones to DEMAND government intervention in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, and elsewhere. Somehow, by some miracle, government intervention fails domestically but by an even bigger miracle it is the exclusive solution overseas!

THIS IS RIGHT WING HYPOCRISY OF THE WORST ORDER AND PROVES THAT THEY ONLY BELIEVE IN WHAT IS EXPEDIENT.

For that reason, right wingers have no credibility whatsoever.

 

So basically you celebrate the fact that our country was demographically flooded with (*)(*)(*)(*)ing socialists from 3rd world latin America to the point that Democrats can now build a leftist utopia.

As if Republicans are just going to quietly fade into the night. We don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about democracy, the minute the Democrats have single party rule(which is tyranny and something you obviously support) we'll revolt out of necessity to protect our lives.

Single Party Rule is tyranny in a Democracy.

 

It doesn't. This kind of ignorance makes it difficult to debate with people.

People only claim this because the Republicans used to be the party of conservative principles, and they've diverged from those principles over the last couple of decades. So now because the party is full of neoconservatives (which has little to do with actual conservatism, and has its roots in Trotskyism - a Leftist movement) the claim is often made that conservatism and limited government involvement in both economic and social contexts are no longer compatible. Nonsense. The political philosophy of conservatism is well defined, and has been, for over two centuries. You would expect this to be understood by people who participate in discussion on a, you know ... political forum.

But clearly that's too much to ask for.

 

I know what you mean. For example, "conservative" used to mean that you have your fiscal house in order, revenues roughly equalling expenditures. Today's poser conservatives only care about tax cuts.

 

In the end, conservatism/libertarianism always wins. Because it is the most compatible with human nature. Every "progressive" system you dream up will collapse eventually under its own weight. Humans are not "progressive" by nature. And anything that goes against nature will ultimately fail.

To add to this, the Democrats are trying their hardest right now to lose the hispanic vote in this Martin/Zimmerman fiasco. They have made a big no-no. They've divided their base. Pitting the blacks against the hispanics. And they've made it very clear which side they're on.

 

Is this the best areguement you can come up with? I guess showing facts is out of the question?

 

That is exactly what is going to happen. The Conservative philosophy will fade. As it stands today, the Hispanic vote resembles the Black vote. Hispanics are turning into loyal Democrats. Here we are in the middle of what some called the worst recession since the great depression. And still the Hispanics vote for Democrats. And that is despite the fact that Hispanics have a higher unemployment rate than whites.

If you can't get Hispanics to vote for you in the Great Recession, when can you get Hispanics to vote for you?

 

Comparing Libertarian political philosophy to even "Goldwater" conservatism is a false comparison. While initially founded based upon pre-1970's conservatism the Libertarian political philosophy has evolved greatly since the Libertarian Party's founding in 1971. It is certainly nothing like the "social conservative" philosophy of today which as very authoritarian and advocates the violations of the Rights of the People.

Today the Libertarian political philosophy advocates a much more limited federal government than even Goldwater would have advocated and it advocates far more civil Rights for the People than the Democratic party does today. The problem is that most voters are unaware of this.

 

It does not matter whether it is limited government Libertarians or big government Conservatives. Either way, the Libertarian and Conservative philosophies are dead. The demographics do not favor Conservative politics. And Hispanics will guarantee it's death.

 

Hispanics are inherently conservative but oppose the anti-Hispanic immigration policies of Republican politicians. They maybe unaware of Libertarian policies which advocate free immigration but would certainly be highly supportive of it. They are very supportive of liberty and equality which is a primary platform of Libertarian Party. As we know Republicans, especially Mitt Romney, oppose the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment.

No, there isn't a comparison between today's social conservatives of the Republican Party that advocates authoritarian government and the Libertarian Party.

 

I'll overlook the extra two 'e's in areguement by saying that America has become the greatest economic and military force on earth because of capitalism. Take a trip back to our industrial revolution of the late 19th century and the early 20th century to get a taste of how capitalism fuels the economy, and then look at this attemp by the progressive obama to instill European socialism stateside with our current financial demise ala European style to get a feel for the difference between successful capitalm and faile socialism. What does your quick study tell you about your economic preference for failure?