Why the right has no chance of winning the Culture Wars

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They don't have to. The Botox does it for them.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You don't seem to be able to defend your position on merit. The child that takes on 100% of the risk/damage is not the one making the decision. Having irreversible surgery imposed on them by people with good intentions and documents hanging on their wall is not something I am willing to accept.

    If you want to make this about my experience and education, you will have to tell me your qualifications. Do you have children?
     
  3. WillReadmore

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    If you believe there is some aspect that you want to be changed, you can exercise your voting, lobbying, and speech rights to work toward change.

    As population density increases, there can not help but be more cases where behavior can impact others.

    Plus, there are needs that are shared by the population as a whole.
     
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  4. WillReadmore

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    Yes, I'm quite sure high school age kids can handle human biology, sociology, etc., and in fact need that knowledge. And, those younger need to start learning some aspects as well.

    We are a diverse nation and it is critically important that we learn to deal with that fact without the violence that is clearly coming from ignorance.
     
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    Of course the child is. At least if the child has loving parents.
    Even bad parents likely won't pay for surgery, it's expensive, just to hurt their child.

    I don't need experience. I am not wanting to dictate my inexperience on anyone.
    You are wanting to dictate every one has to listen to you.
    The hell with the child, parents, and doctors.
     
  6. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I see you got the joke without me having to explain it! :)
     
  7. dairyair

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    You lie when you put words in my mouth I never said nor intended to say.

    You lose when you change the topic to make it about a poster.
     
  8. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I already gave parents and doctors credit for having good intentions. From FGM, conversion therapy to throwing healthy organs in the scrap bucket, there is no shortage of good intentions. No one is trying to intentionally harm children.

    Ironic that you bring my experience and education into question, then end up admitting your position has no backing. We will just have to agree that we are both just random guys on the internet with opinions.

    The difference between our two positions is that mine does not impose irreversible harm on children.

    BTW, did you know that these people you hold in high regard because of the documents they display on their walls, are considered the 3rd leading cause of death in the US?
     
  9. Doofenshmirtz

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    Ironic!
     
  10. Vernan89188

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    To have control over their futures.
    Birth control isnt murder.

    You cant leave the state commit murder then return to where its illegal can you?
     
  11. WillReadmore

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    There are states such as WA that will protect information on this subject.

    So, Texas bounty hunters and other predators will have a harder time.
     
  12. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, take birth control BEFORE a life is conceived. As to your question....that may be an interesting case in the future.
     
  13. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You called them traitors. Don't be squishy. If you killed admitted killing someone, I would call you a murderer and you would say "You put words in my mouth". You called them traitors. Traitors were hung in the 1860's.
     
  14. WillReadmore

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    Justice Thomas has called for a birth control case to reach the SC so they can rule on it.

    So, your advice might be short lived if the right wing has its way!
     
  15. yabberefugee

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    Not all of us righties are in that camp. We respect life......not sperm and egg.
     
  16. WillReadmore

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    Is it 1860 today?

    It's hard to tell what it is that you have to say about the OP topic.
     
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    Anyone not capable of being born is subject to birth control. If the mother chooses to identify her fetus as a baby, then it may be considered murder if somone else steals her liberty to identify it as she pleases and kills it.

    No it will not be an intersting case, it will be a waste of time. Especially is the state recognizes the castle doctrine.
    DNA and a heart beat does not give someone identified as a threat permission to intrude iwhen they are not welcome or planned.
     
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  18. WillReadmore

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    It's not your opinion that I oppose, though I would point out that IVF creates large numbers of embryos (fertilized eggs) that are discarded as medical waste. So, there is still a question of where and why you draw a line.

    I also don't have a problem with those who refuse blood transfusions for religious reasons, who choose to refuse all medical treatment, etc.

    The problem is with those who want to write draconian laws against OTHER PEOPLE'S healthcare.
     
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  19. yabberefugee

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    I draw the line at the beating of a heart.
    When you talk about "OTHER PEOPLES" healthcare....I consider that beating heart as "OTHER PEOPLES" healthcare. It's not draconian. I consider that beating heart although it does not have a voice. Does that make sense to you?
     
  20. WillReadmore

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    That is part of a woman's body. This is NOT questionable.

    And, those healthcare laws absolutely do affect both the woman and the fetus. There is no possibility of that not being the case.

    The reason is that the woman can easily need healthcare that is not possible when there is a fetus, and a fetus can easily show defects that preclude a reasonable shot at viability.

    These are judgement calls. Healthcare decisions have to include judgement supplied by doctors and patients.

    This is born out today, as OB/GYN doctors are pointing out that they are at risk of losing their licenses if they provide needed healthcare, because legislation doesn't account for that judgement and aggressive prosecutors can choose draconian definitions.

    Beyond that, rape and incest are fully justifiable reasons for abortion.

    Beyond that, it is the woman's body. Period.

    If YOU get pregnant, you can choose to do what YOU want. And, I would hope you have the financial resources to get prenatal, birth and postnatal care - which many can not afford, thus risking the life and health of both the woman and the fetus.

    Maybe you should focus on THAT!
     
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    You want to stop most all health care process for trans children. Do you not?

    I want the process to continue or not to continue be up to those most closely related to the case.
    My position has the backing of the health providers with the consent of parents in the best interest of the children.

    Your position appears to not provide any care to trans kids because you don't like it.
     
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    How?
     
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    They were traitors. Never claimed otherwise.
    This isn't 1860.
    Stop with the lies. Simple.
     
  24. dairyair

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    Intentional untrruths
     
  25. yabberefugee

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    You bend the truth like no other. Traitors were hung in 1865. They hung no one other than a prison officer. Therefore, they were exonerated and affirmed back into society. You and other virtue signalling leftists seem to know better than the ones who risked their lives defending Union. Typical elitists always know what's best. You selectively want to destroy history to affirm your own virtue signals!
     

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