Won't Leave? Well then do this america haters.

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  1. Ritter

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    Obama was a big liar. But, that is hardly surprising since he was a politician. I really do not understand why there is such a cult-following for him.

    The government cannot create jobs.

    Yes.

    Monstrous and evergrowing. Our children's children's children's children won't even be able to repay it.

    End the Fed!

    I was always against Trump's trade policies.

    I have not followed American domestic policies closely enough lately to give an answer to that.

    As always.

    It is in the making. ;)

    I am no fan of neither bigotry nor presidency.
     
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    I Googled it, it's wrong. So was your assertion.

    You didn't address the question. Who is telling people it's OK to raise a family on min. wage, working at McDonald's? As a teacher (as you claim to be), you should know that answer. You should be more concerned about that.

    What does my net worth have to do with anything?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So'''''personal responsibility is not enough you say. Is that why you perpetuate victim hood? So women have made a lot of gains in the last hundred years. So have blacks. Many have taken those gains and ran with them. They should be looked up to and admired. Instead you perpetuate the idea that others are victims. We need to drag down whites, drag down men. Teach "masculine toxicity". Give little boys ritilin to make them more like women. Replace strong fathers in society with more government. Destroy the concept of fatherhood. Become a matriarchal society so young men no longer have purpose. Tell young men they need to be more like women. I see it every time I go to the big city. Men there are far more feminine then I could ever recollect. So you have a bunch of young men confused about their purpose in life. They still have testosterone levels that in their teens go right through the roof. They are no longer allowed to be "Sir Gallahd". Liberated women have destroyed that myth. So they buy a semi-automatic rifle, look for an excuse, either right or left, then go to public places and shoot as many as they can. This is all brought about by a "so called educated elite". It makes me sick.

    You keep pushing the racist buttons Renee and you will get the race war you keep saying has arrived. You speak division every time you refer to race. You are wise in your own eyes and it speaks destruction to our culture. You will NEVER be colorblind it seems. In the Sunday School where I teach kids, the kids discuss "virtue". We focus on "virtue". It is not necessary to talk about negative traits.....we hold virtue in high esteem. When we do that, evil thoughts, if any are readily exposed to be addressed. Your education system operates in "shades of grey". Evil finds that accomodating.
     
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    Obama did the best he could to double the public debt - check the United States debt-ceiling crisis of 2011 article on Wikipedia.
    It's the poor people, the workers and the middle class that pay the public debt, the rich are spared from paying it. Again, Obama did his best to increase the poverty of the Americans. The national debt sky-rocketed from $11 to nearly $20 trillion on Obama's watch. In other words: "It is incontrovertible that the national debt nearly doubled in eight years, which makes Mr. Obama the runaway Olympic gold-medal winner of all presidents for fiscal incompetence."

    Obama did not tax the rich in order to raise the $426 billion for the bailouts (TARP) and he took the money from the poor in order to provide bailouts to the super-rich. Consequences: the two-year pay freeze for civilian federal workers in 2010 and federal employees enduring sequestration-related furloughs as well as several unpaid days related to government shutdown in 2013. The bailouts include a $11 billion gift to the rich owners and executives of the General Motors. Obama only wants capitalism for the poor and socialism for the rich. Does anyone remember how bad was the economy in 2011?

    Obama-Biden-Sanders gave a $4 trillion gift to the criminal bankers (ever heard of JP Morgan Chase or Bank of America being involved into the National Mortgage Settlement of $26 billion?) in Quantitative Easing (printing/creating new money), and that creates inflation that affects the poor - it is in fact the same thing as reducing the incomes of the poor. Luckily for you, Trump reversed it, and unluckily for me, the EU keeps creating trillions in QE which means soon my savings will be gone.

    Obama supported the spending of one trillion dollars per year for the invented "Russian threat". In the same time, Trump is the first one who tries to normalize relations with Russia.
    In the words of Dr. Paul Craig Roberts: Normalized relations with Russia removes the orchestrated “Russian threat” justification for the $1,000 billion taxpayer dollars taken annually from ordinary Americans and given to the military/security complex via the federal budget.

    These are very well known facts that show how dangerous are the people like Obama, Clinton, Biden and Sanders. And they are dangerous not because they are Democrats - but because they are the puppets of the super-rich.
    Trump makes a lot of errors too - he should have reduced the trade deficit (and that will reduce the budget deficit and the public debt) since 2017, not today in 2019. He should also pressure the poor countries to fight against corruption and that will solve the mass immigration crisis from the cause. Another big error is that he claims he is not a socialist. In fact, he is much more socialist than Obama, without even realizing it. We need a mix of capitalism and socialism, like for example Austria in real housing (check Gemeindebau) and EU/Canada for public education and public health care - countries that spend the money collected in taxes for those public services, instead of doubling the public debt like Obama. Trump would also gain an enormous amount of votes for a little bit of socialism. Yet he is the first president to have the courage to say "No" to the financial elites who run the country and we desperately need more such politicians (no matter if they are leftists or rightists), all over the West.

    I am not spewing right-winged talking points. I do support socialism. The politics was invented by the financial elites and the whole political debate was created by the financial elites.
    What I'm doing here is asking you and others like you (Democrat and Republican voters alike) to open your eyes and to see your real enemy, instead of continue to play the game the financial elites want you to play (political debates).
     
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    Sorry you didn't understood. It's absolutely ok for your country to have a huge international trade - the imports will send jobs to other countries. But the exports will create jobs, which compensates. Yet you have to compensate well - you have to keep the trade deficit close to zero, otherwise your compensation will be kind of screwy. This is all about basic arithmetic
    Citation needed.
    Citation needed. Also keep in mind that one trillion dollar debt per year is created by wasting money on the invented "Russian threat". So 3 years = $3 trillion. It is not Trump that maintains that situation, but it's the politicians from both political parties.
    Citation needed. And how is cutting spending increasing consumer taxes?
    I also believe he should tax the rich, yet Obama was much worse because he took the money from the poor to give it to the rich. And he increased the poverty, by making even larger public debt and by printing money for Quantitative Easing.
    That's absolutely normal to compensate the farmers hit by China's protectionism. But in the same time the reduction of Chinese imports means more production in the USA and that means more jobs and more money collected in taxes. In the future those farmers can do something else because more jobs will be created. Or better, the food imports from Mexico should be reduced too in order to cut the trade deficit with Mexico too, and that means those american American farmers can produce that food instead of producing the soybeans they are producing today.

    You must have a very alien definition of "worse". Nothing is worse than transforming USA into another Mexico or Honduras. That rookie congresswoman would continue the work of Obama with even bigger passion than Obama, if she would be in power.

    This not a conspiracy theory. This is a conspiracy reality. In the Irish famine (1850), the elites removed the access of the poor to the land and they starved a million people to death "in order to improve the economy". In the Great Depression (1930), the elites reduced the taxes for the super-rich land owners who refused to produce food, and that means starving the people "in order to improve the economy". In the Great Recession ( 2008 ) the elites took the money from the poor and they gave it to the rich, in bailouts and in paying for overpriced housing, education and public health care - and in Quantitative Easing - again increasing poverty "to fix the economy" - but all these things are pure coincidence and only a crazy conspiracy theorist can make connections between them, isn't it?
    - The 2008 debt and speculation crisis was not created by a large number of banks who encouraged the speculation and debt, of course!
    - And of course the Libor scandal - which is a proven conspiracy - has nothing to do with the financial elites! - The Biggest Price-Fixing Scandal Ever, April 25, 2013, Matt Taibbi, Rolling Stone - "Conspiracy theorists of the world, believers in the hidden hands of the Rothschilds and the Masons and the Illuminati, we skeptics owe you an apology. You were right. The players may be a little different, but your basic premise is correct: The world is a rigged game."
    - General Smedley Butler, the most decorated Marine in the history of the US military said that he and the US Marines spent their lives defending the interests of the United Fruit Company (owned by Rockefeller by the way) and some lousy investment of the banks in Latin America.
    - Project MKUltra, Tuskegee syphilis experiment, Monster Study, Project 4.1, The Aversion Project - they are also pure fantasies of course!
    Maybe you need more examples of real conspiracies in order to be able to convince yourself?

    It can function very well. The Amish communities are capable to raise capital too, when they are making investments. Even the communists can raise capital too. You don't have to go to JP Morgan Chase if you want to make an investment. Your view on economy is quite incomplete.

    This is not about character. He reversed the Quantitative Easing and that infuriated the bankers (and the media). He is working on reducing the trade deficit and the bankers/media hate him for that too. He wants to good relations with Russia and that makes the puppet politicians hate him too. We need more politicians who have the courage to refuse to follow the orders of the international bankers.
    It's very easy to see which politicians are the puppets of the international bankers when you see how they react about reducing mass immigration and about helping your own nation:
    - Bill Clinton claimed the democratically elected politicians in Poland and Hungary are anti-democratic for rejecting the mass immigration.
    - Sweden's Social Democratic Social Affairs Minister Annika Strandhäll wrote on Twitter that Prime Minister Viktor Orban's seven-point family planning policy "reeks of the 1930s" and that "what is happening in Hungary is alarming". "Now Orban wants to have more 'real' Hungarian children. This kind of policy will harm the autonomy for which women have struggled for decades," Strandhäll said. - nobody is forcing those Hungarian women who make three or more children, it is purely their own decision, so the 'alarming danger' Strandhäll complains about is purely an invented danger.
    - Hillary Clinton embraces George Soros' 'radical' vision of open-border world, 20 October 2016, Rowan Scarborough, Washington Times - so there is no visible connection between the top politicians and the financial elites, isn't it?
     
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    No, Obama did his best to increase the public debt and subsequently the poverty of the Americans and to prepare the transforming of the USA into another Mexico/Honduras.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...america-haters.559068/page-26#post-1070845035
     
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    That’s why so many of my students parents worked two and here jobs....but hopefully my students
    This is so sad...because you speak like an extremist and can’t see gray and say such uneducated things like Ritalin makes boys like women..LOL
    It is really sad how you see yourself as this poor little victim of women and blacks. Your diatribe here is pure fear and hatred . Thank goodness women and blacks ignored people like you who has nothing but contempt for them , so they could get ahead.
    I think you need a testosterone transfusion.....so you can feel superior. Ugh, what could be worse than being feminine as you keep repeating. Nurturing? Yuck! And you’re right, it’s women who shoot up public places..and damn those women, opening their own doors. Makes you feel less masculine....
     
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    Did you get your economics degree from trump university?
     
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    No, you just make up stuff that matches up with the current progressive talking points.
     
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    You prove by your post that you are extremist and uneducated. You do not know there is a difference between a man and a women. It would by my strong guess that you are "butch". Real women can have a strong sense of character and allow men to be gracious to them. They can allow men to be what they were designed to be. Protectors of the family. Butches will mock them and tell them they have no role at all. Did you ever wear a dress? I doubt it.

    Of course I never accused women of shooting up places. I do accuse progressives of saying masculinity has no pace in the world, making young men feel of no purpose which is a strong trait of those taking aggression out on society. Of course you are going to defend yourself. You are an educator and you are responsible for a great deal of it.
     
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    It's not Trump. It's the servant politicians of the financial elites (both Republicans and Democrats). They are the ones that keep wasting one trillion dollars every year for the invented "Russian threat". Stop wasting that money and then you have no budget deficit and no more public debt increase. You have to spend a lot of money in order to keep an oversized army. Simply because the country can't produce enough to support so much military spending. And that means you have to borrow money if you want to keep wasting so much.

    What we need is politicians who are interested to do a better job than Trump in terms of public debt, trade deficit and Quantitative Easing. And about mass immigration.
    What we don't need is politicians who are doing even worse than Trump - and unfortunately pretty much all the Democrats are like that.
     
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    Did you get your economics degree from the mainstream media? You can find plenty of "experts in economy" in the media who claim that speculation is good and that we need to make more debt. And then again we get another speculation and debt crisis.
    Can you explain how imports doesn't create an outsourcing of jobs? Can you explain how can you collect taxes from the Chinese workers?
    Can you explain how exports are not creating more jobs and more revenue from taxes?
     
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    There is again....the extremism..but this time its plain stupid. Thank you for telling me that I don’t know there is a difference between a man and a woman. Silly me I thought they were exactly the same. (Sarcasm alert)
    You have a strong feeling that I am “Butch? LOL I have a strong feeling that you’re a “queen”
    But like an extremist You accuse me Of not allowing men to be gracious to me. What a stupid statement. And yes I have worn a dress....and I get the feeling you have too.
    Your extremism is almost scary that you actually believe that progressives say that masculinity has no place in the world. They don’t make young men feel they have no purpose no purpose ...what a stupid thing to say. It sounds like you are projecting how you feel about yourself . If young men feel they have no purpose and they shoot up society then you have a worse problem than I thought for rationalizing it and justifying it.
    You sound very insecure in your masculinity and obviously you feel you have a little purpose but that’s your problem and you should get help
    And blaming me as an educator is so childish. But I will tell you that if a student wrote this kind of gibberish I would have to report it to child protection services because it sounds like a person with severe issues
     
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    Of course it’s not Trump. When the stock market goes up it is all Trump when it goes down it’s not Trump.
     
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    That's not what I said.
    Trump did a poor job in reducing trade deficit, public debt and mass immigration.
    My point is that the Democrats are much worse than him - they want to increase mass immigration, trade deficit and public debt even more.

    You don't like Trump.
    I agree with that!
    So please find someone to do a better job than what he did.
     
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    I see you are a graduate of Trump's economic kindergarten (hope you got a discount). International trade isn't about basic arithmetic and it sure isn't something you can balance by fiat. Its all about basic capitalism, but I guess that subject wasn't covered.


    https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-trade-deficit-causes-effects-trade-partners-3306276


    Okay now you are venturing into lala land. Sorry, it seems you are ignorant of US finances.



    I guess you arent aware that cutting government programs is a totally DIFFERENT than imposing tariffs on imported consumer goods.


    I'm sorry but now you are talking out of your hat. Is this deliberate or are you truly that ignorant?

    So you see nothing wrong with corporate socialism. Gee what a surprise.

    I do know that "worse" is xenophobic bigotry expressed with such certitude of ignorance.

    I won't respond to the rest, since crazy nonsense and utter bullshit speaks for itself.
     
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    Socialism is wealth redistribution scam to take from the rich and give to the poor. For some reason socialists can't seem to grasp concepts of value, and think they know how much people should have and what they shouldn't, its so anti-freedom its rather disgusting...
     
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    In true socialism, there are no rich or poor. Everyone does equal work, and gets an equal share of the country's wealth. If you are unable to work, everyone else helps you, but if you are able to work and refuse, you are left to die. THAT is socialism.

    The issue is that this type of system has never and will never be implimented because humans are naturually selfish and greedy and there's always someone who wants all the wealth for themselves.
     
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    True socialism cannot account for concepts like ambition or ability, its a pipe dream of stupidity based on theft from the rich. Its a disastrous concept that should be discouraged and denied at every opportunity...
     
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    You realize that the US uses socialism as well as capitalism right? .
     
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    Only Medicaid. Everything else that socialists claim really isn't, they just steal the ideas to try and prop themselves up as something they are not. Socialism is so steeped in theft and lies that it really comes as no surprise...
     
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    All forms of welfare are based on socialism. In capitalism, if you can't afford to eat, you must rely on charity, and if that doesn't work, you die.
     
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    Not true at all, almost every single form of welfare finds its roots in the charitable works of non-profit organizations and religions. It certainly does not have political roots. This is more of that socialist claptrap we hear about trying to hype themselves up as something other than liars and thieves. All they care about is wealth redistribution until everyone is equally poor...
     

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