Won't Leave? Well then do this america haters.

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  1. Daggdag

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    Then why does the far right claim that welfare needs to be abolished because it's "socialism".
     
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    Its the path towards socialism, and as we well know that liberals never give, but take, take, take. We could abolish all government welfare and the country would do just fine. The fact is that welfare is nothing more than a government attempt to usurp what was previously the sole purview of religious organizations and other charities. Such an egregious assault on the private sector should be shunned...
     
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    This is what femi-nazis all over America have strived for. I know you are proud of your extreme accomplishments.
    www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/02/27/of_27_deadliest_mass_shooters_26_of_them_were_fatherless_435596.html?fbclid=IwAR1IUrWS0pvyOPfo_j88KsrvX2RztExRx9EcTKqYawPqC_qxHLMS10wX1us
     
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    Who is trying to take away from the rich and give to the poor?. I remember under Clinton paying more than 50% in taxes and it didn’t affect my standard of living one bit but I knew it was helping my fellow Americans. I have to assume you are very rich if not then you are a typical Trumper
     
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    What kind of a ridiculous statement is “liberals never give but take take take” but then there are the righties who want the billionaires to take take take at the price of their own self interest.
    You are supporting taking away Social Security and Medicare and public education?
     
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    Clinton? A neoliberal who helped set the scene for Dickensian inequalities. Trumpers have every reason to whinge.
     
  7. Renee

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    Feminazis.....LOL. That’s what guys with a little hands call us
    Guys with little hands think that paying women equal wages is an extreme accomplishment. These guys think that allowing women to go to the top universities is an extreme accomplishment. These guys think that giving women athletic scholarships is extreme accomplishments. These guys think that women can get credit in their own names is in extreme accomplishments. Talk about insecurity wow
     
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    Now slow down, read the info I sent you, and introspectively contemplate the role you have played to diminish Fatherhood. Here it is again:
    www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/02/27/of_27_deadliest_mass_shooters_26_of_them_were_fatherless_435596.html?fbclid=IwAR1IUrWS0pvyOPfo_j88KsrvX2RztExRx9EcTKqYawPqC_qxHLMS10wX1us
     
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    Big reasons they abandon them... Women see government as their husband. Especially in Democrat run cities. Welfare has replaced husbands since LBJ and the war on poverty. Black families were on a par with white families before that as far as husband and wives staying together. Liberated women go for artificial insemination all the time because they don't want a husband and others just feel marriage isn't necessary. Women, like yourself, put down men all the time. Movies since the 1960's have portrayed husbands as buffoons. Women are liberated......you don't need men to hold the door for you, you don't need men to provide for you, you just don't need men period! That is the message men get all the time. So you have "friends with benefits" instead and no marriage. No commitments and that is fine with women because they are liberated and can do it all themselves (except the conception part) that is why we have children without fathers. There are deadbeat dads also, and that needs work too. I am not blaming one sex here at all. I just blame the culture and guns have NOTHING to do with it.
     
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    Sorry but you are just producing pure nonsense.
    The international trade doesn't require capitalism. Communist countries can also have a lot of international trade.
    The financial institutions can also exist even outside capitalism. The problem is not in having financial institutions. The problem is not the capitalism. But the problem is the current financial institutions are very corrupt (check the Libor scandal and the National Mortgage Settlement).
    Once you stop producing say paper and you are importing it from China, that means the paper-producing factories will close down and the workers will lose their jobs. Imports generate loss of jobs. And exports create jobs. A country must be careful to balance the two. So this is actually all about basic arithmetic.
    Helping the farmers affected by China's reaction is absolutely normal - the administration doesn't take the money from the poor in order to pay for their bailouts (as it was the case with TARP) - but it takes the money from China (by increasing the tariffs on imports). So this is not corporate socialism because those bailouts are not taxpayer money. And the administration has to do these bailouts, because it was the previous administrations that involved those farmers into this huge trade deficit mess.
    Obama took the money from the poor to give it to the rich (TARP) and yes Quantitative Easing was a gift to the rich - Obama’s $4 trillion gift to the rich, John Crudele, October 12, 2014, New York Post.

    Your arrogant and insulting messages are devoid of any meaning, just like the statements of the "experts in economy" who recommend allowing speculation and increasing debt, just before the speculation and debt crisis.
    You will probably reply with more insults, which is absolutely nothing unexpected. You are unwilling to produce anything that has meaning, logic and makes sense. And even worse than that, you are not interested at all to act in good faith.
    You proved to be only interested to throw insults and untruths, in the hope you can convince other people to believe in your statements.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is a black I'll listen to......
     
  13. Renee

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    How stupid, that women see government as their husband. Seems like you are angry at the women. The fathers are freed of responsibility. If they have to pay child support then the government would not have to pay anything so why don’t we put the blame where it belongsIf they have to pay child support then the government would not have to pay anything so why don’t we put the blame where it belongs. And then you try to make it a little bit better saying deadbeat dads are bad too when all you do is blame the women. You don’t even see your prejudice
    I really cracked up laughing when you portray so many liberated women as having artificial insemination because they don’t want husbands. Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?
    I don’t put down man at all, men who are secure and believe in equality don’t deserve to be put down. When I went to the woman’s march in Washington there were thousands of secure men. It’s insecure boys who spew venom about women and hen say women hate men. No we hate men who act like little,boys
    But it is obvious what is happening with you. You are losing what little power you have ...like seeing women as able to hold their own door and hold the door for you too.
    What are all these movies that you were talking about that portray men as buffoons? Why don’t we go back to the good all days when women in movies were little weak flowers dependent on men. You really seem to hate women and you are trying to turn it on me that I hate men. The only me I hate are the ones who are so insecure and want to take away women’s rights...but luckily I don’t know any
     
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    I belong to a "community" where women are at least equal or even outnumber the men. They believe as I do They believe in the family structure. You find that funny, and it cracks you up. You are very self entertaining! You hate masculinity and what God has created. You like men, only after you have castrated them......and you have. A great many.
     
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    I live in a community where we all believe in family structure also. But we don’t believe that women are inferior and that men should be assigned roles and women should be assigned roles. I guess where you live is where the movie Stepford wives came about.Well maybe since” God created masculinity” men should do all the physical labor and fight and women should do the rest. We don’t have this need for violence and we don’t have a fear of being castrated. It’s very interesting that that’s how you see yourself...castrated.
    I think you are getting emotionally hysterical for fear that you were going to be castrated. Women doing what men traditionally have done and men doing what women have traditionally done doesn’t mean castration. I feel sorry for you. Hold on tight so no one can cut off your “manhood.”...After all, doing anything that a woman does makes you inferior in your world.
    And stop being so silly to say that I hate men. When I do dislike are men who act like insecure boys
     
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    And I dislike women that find it insulting if I hold a door for them....or if I insist on walking on the street side of a sidewalk. I have always consented to my wife working outside the home but and when she wanted to stay home and be a mother, honoring her maternal instincts, I though that was fine also. What got my ire up was when certain femi-nazis passively put her down for being chained to the home.Men and women are not "assigned" roles, but they have different strengths and weakness that compliment each other and they gravitate toward different roles. You and others tend to resent that gravitation and like Hillary, you might even chide them and say "what....you want to stay home and bake cookies?" You can take the U.S. womens soccer team for instance. They were excellent. They really earned it. However, they have been beaten by a college "mens" team I have heard. Since Progressives have confused the gender issue, men, masquerading as women, are breaking all the womens records. Why don't we see women masquerade as men so they can break mens records? Point is, we were Created differently whether you want to honor that or not.....or in your world you can say "we crawled out of the mud differently.
    I think you might have considered an addadictomy before but you know in your heart it won'y change who you are.
     
  17. Renee

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    Oh I think it’s hysterical that the women you know find it insulting if you hold the door for them. No one I know objects to that. As I taught my students, hold the door for the person behind you. This should not be about gender but about manners .Don’t you hold the door for men as well? It is obvious you have a need to show women how “manly” you are. After all, we’re little flowers .Why do you have to insist on walking on the outside? And you don’t even realize how you are contradicting yourself when you say men and women are not assigned roles but yet you think that it is your role to open the door for a woman. Roles are assigned from birth... it starts with toys. Why do parents take away baby dolls from their sons? Is that a good thing to prepare them for fatherhood? In my school we have books for boys and books for girls and I demanded that they get rid of that assignment . That is defining roles. When you criticize When you criticize a boy for acting like a girl you are saying clearly that girls are inferior
    How nice of you to CONSENT to your wife working outside the home. I didn’t have to get consent from my husband anymore than he had to get consent from me. We were equals.
    And that nonsense that feminists Saw your wife as chained to the home. No that is men who see women in that role with disrespect...if they respected it, they would be stay at home parents. Many men would be excellent homemakers. By the way it is those “femi Nazis” who got your wife benefits homemakers didn’t have before. Especially financial
    Then you start stereotyping men and women and defining their roles you say they’re just different Yes they are different but all men do not fit one role and all women do not fit one role and you are trying to do just that .You keep saying that feminists put down stay at home moms which isn’t true because women are lucky enough now to have both options. But you don’t realize you are the one putting down working women. Hillary’s comment about women staying home and baking cookies is as bad as people saying women shouldn’t work outside the home. Thank goodness we ignored men like you and have more options and empowerment. Let me guess, you’re an older white male
     
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    Now that is hysterical. What you call toys.....most folks call DNA and Genitalia. So, you think a person can be any gender they want?? There is no difference?? So you must be gender neutral because you were so programmed from birth but you "rose above it" and found your true identity! Have you considered that "adadictomy"? Someone asked Uncle Joe awhile back "how many genders are there"? He said three. What say you?
    I see you tried to pigeon hole me by race because that is all important to you. Perhaps I was born black but I just prefer to be white. Tomorrow I may want to be red like my Indian brothers. It's all about being programmed from birth, remember?
    Actually I am not against working women. As I stated before, my wife did what she wanted. We both agreed it would be inconvenient for me to stay home and breastfeed. We tend to go along with how nature programmed us. But then again, you can do anything! You are "an enlightened educator!"
     
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    Once again you are an extremist because you are saying I think a person can be any gender . There are two genders but some identify differently.
    There’s a difference.
    As I said boys and girls are socialized differently from birth. Girls have many more freedoms because they can play with trucks or dolls. They can like sports or knitting. They can like karate or ballet. But if a boy wants to play with dolls or knit or take ballet he is considered less because he would be doin what girls do..yuck! I call it femiphobia.
    I remember when my male neighbor who had a little boy about six came to see my house. My daughter had a very feminine room and it was very pretty and he teased me because he knew I was such a feminist...then his son walked in and said in awe....”this room is sooo pretty” It was a great lesson because my daughter could have had the fluffiest room or she could have had little firetrucks but his son couldn’t have the choice.
    I am not pigeonholing you by race I am just generalizing because you have the attitude of old white men. And you speak just like the men I used to ignore because they were so threatened . They would use stupid terms like feminazis, and accuse women of hating men.
    Gee I guess you never heard of of formula or pumping breast milk. If you wanted to stay home it would have been very easy because we are not a low form of animals. Some of us have evolved. It was your choice and your wife’s and that is fine. I also stayed at home with my child but I really needed to do more. Many women do not like the dependence
    once again you are being the extremist and saying that I believe “I can do anything” In my book for teachers that is one thing I stress and that is not to tell kids they can be anything they want because it isn’t true. But men can stay home and be homemakers and women can be executives. If you notice more men are indeed staying home and more women are holding very important jobs. I truly believe that many men would make better stay at home dad’s than many stay at home moms..but they’re stigmatized
     
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    So how many babies did your husband birth?
    I have female friends that are National Team Ropers. I have a female friend, my Pastors wife, that hunts Archery Elk with me. My own wife has been involved in those activities as well. Some would call those male activities,, but they enjoy them. They are definitely ladies and they all contribute much differently to their marriages then do the men. There is a difference.
    I'll remind you "generalizing by race" is a racist activity and you do it.
     
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    You missed the point. Women always do male things and they are respected but the misogyny comes in when men are mocked for doing what females do.
    How many prostate exams as your wife had? Are you trying to tell me that men and women are different? Heck I never knew that LOL. But it might interest you to know that men are different from other men and women are different from other women. Many women do not like the role of being a homemaker and need to be more independent. So they can go out and work but many men don’t like the role of working outside of the home but they Wouldn’t want to do what women do and be homemakers ! Women can hunt and men can knit. Women can do karate and men can do ballet. If you notice women who do the former are respected but it’s men who do what women do that is disrespected. And that is what I talk about when I talk about socialization
    And what are you talking about in your last sentence? We are not talking about race. However generalizing is not necessarily racist it is when one overgeneralizes that the problem exists. Stating a fact about a race is not racist. You sure need my course
     
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    Well I guess you see yourself as the arbitrator between what is generalization and over generalization........that is the point and exactly why I won't take your course. I have a non-partisan arbitrator that you don't recognize and you mock.
    Renee, believe me, I don't see you as a bad person. You desire to see good take place. I just see unforseen forces at wok here and that is how I see the battle. I just do not like the way young men, particularly urban men, see themselves in this culture. I was at a family gathering last night in Phoenix. A couple people laughed at my flip phone that I use. When I looked around at that gathering and saw the number of people pre-occupied with "smart phones" it took the sting out of the chiding. That is the "evolution" I will not buy into. Change for the sake of change is not always good. That is why I have an anchor. I cling to my anchor. I do not buy into all of these changes.
    The subject at hand on this thread is "the shooting".My response is the guns are inanimate objects but the root of the problem is in the hearts of our mostly young men. It has become self-fulfillment over life. It is seen in almost every aspect of American culture today. I have pointed to a smallindication of that where people rather look at their smart-phones than the relational opportunities at hand. I believe that even to a small degree, you can agree with me there.
     
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    Violence targeting people you disagree with is unAmerican. If you don't like my views, join these haters:

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/chris...eyll-leave-the-country-if-trump-wins-n2272070
     
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    So, Renee.....it seems you mock here the fact a lot of very decent women, that you seem to see as a "low form of animals" see breastfeeding as a God-given opportunity to bond with their child at an early age. Why not just hook women up to automatic milk pumps as they do in a dairy and sell it next to the 2% at grocery stores.

    While we discuss this, so you do recognize that human beings are not supposed to be "a low form of animals"... while at the same time you would most likely defend deviant sexual behaviors promoted as something that all animals engage in. Can't have it both ways.
     
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    Capitalism is composed of natural barter and mutually agreed economic transactions- that is free enterprise, and liberty- which is what the constitution does declare we have right to.
    The only thing that makes it a "system" is that we regulate it to make it operate smoothly and fairly. Capitalism is you trading an apple you have for orange someone else has, where both of you want the items and agree on the equality of the trade. It is a mutual and voluntary process- and inherently fair to all because of those facts.

    Socialism is not any of those things, but a system created in the minds of some as an ideological fantasy, then imposed upon a great many of the people by use of false promise from those who wish themselves to be entitled with and control the fruits of other people's labor- which can also be described as legalized theft, redistribution of earned wealth to those who did not earn or contribute- and the promotion of a parasitic society.

    In all the species of nature, the only ones who create socialistic societies are clones- sort of like the Borg from Sci-fi, where the individuals lack self determination and serve only the collective. In the case of that kind of controlled identity, it works- for ants, termites, bees and the like. The rest of nature is composed of creatures that often work together or stay together for mutual benefit- but also with the choice to do otherwise. Of all the species, there are none more varied in their objectives and interests than humans.... we are unfit to be clones, hosts and parasites- nor will the human species thrive in that condition or long tolerate it.
     
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