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WSJ: Trump colluding with Ukraine

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Golem, Sep 20, 2019.

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  1. Belch

    Belch Well-Known Member

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    Who is this "whistleblower"? Do you have a name? Is there some reason you're calling this person a whistleblower rather than simply somebody alleging something?

    From what I gather, it's just an anonymous nobody claiming something with no evidence, so why take it seriously?
     
    Belch, Sep 22, 2019
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  2. Canell

    Canell Well-Known Member

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    More Fake News. :disbelief:
     
    Canell, Sep 22, 2019
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  3. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That I don't know. I would hope that would be shown soon. What I'd like to know was the whistle blower in the room with Trump, or was authorities tapping the President's phone? If in the room, how do we know he is telling the whole truth? If tapping his phone, why?
     
    Marine1, Sep 22, 2019
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  4. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because the person evidently went to the IG of the DNI's organization. The IG, appointed by Trump, did sufficient investigation to reach a conclusion that there was something to the whistleblower's concern and classified the information as critical and urgent. A separate report says that the whistleblower's report and IG conclusion relates to a Trump conversation with the new President of Ukraine. Trump acknowledges the conversation, but we do not know whether the conversation is related to the whistleblower's report or not. Normal procedure, backed by law, would allow the IG and the whistleblower to go to Congress, but the Trump administration appears to be blocking this. Question is why and what's in the report?
     
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    stone6, Sep 22, 2019
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  5. Silver Surfer

    Silver Surfer Banned

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    It's called the executive privilege. He is within his rights. Not big deal at all. A standard procedure.
     
    Silver Surfer, Sep 22, 2019
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  6. stone6

    stone6 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    stone6, Sep 22, 2019
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  7. Silver Surfer

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    A crime? That's a rather silly accusation based on nothing but wishful thinking. It's more like, the conversation between two head of states is meant to be private and confidential not broadcasted to the world.Simples.
     
    Silver Surfer, Sep 22, 2019
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    100 % correct. Its absolutely unbelievable.
     
    therooster, Sep 22, 2019
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  9. Lesh

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    Absolutely not. There is no "Executive privilege" in the whistle blower law....especially not so when the Executive is the subject of the whistle blower complaint
     
    Lesh, Sep 22, 2019
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  10. Lesh

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    And this was NOT (strictly speaking) "collusion" with a foreign power....it was EXTORTION that was resisted by that foreign power
     
    Lesh, Sep 22, 2019
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  11. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Sorry you misunderstood the point is that the huge growth in the size and power of the federal government post 1932 did not improve much of anything and has in made a hell of a lot of things worse.
     
    garyd, Sep 22, 2019
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  12. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    Yes that's exactly what Biden did.
     
    garyd, Sep 22, 2019
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  13. Lesh

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    What "Biden did" was get a corrupt prosecutor removed...not for his own personal gain but to PREVENT further corruption.
    And no his son nor his son's company was not under investigation. Shokin (the prosecutor) admitted that
     
    Lesh, Sep 22, 2019
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  14. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    You mean those people he has no real reason to trust and ,many good one's such as this 'whistle blower" claptrap to distrust?
     
    garyd, Sep 22, 2019
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    Wrong...
     
    garyd, Sep 22, 2019
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  16. Lesh

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    Just saying "wrong" means nothing.

    Do you want quotes of Shokin admitting there was no ongoing investigation?

    That of his deputy?
     
    Lesh, Sep 22, 2019
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    Perhaps because the fellow is not a whistleblower. He did not actually hear the conversation and gained knowledge of it outside of his work.

    He is not a whistleblower, but a rumor monger.
     
    Pycckia, Sep 22, 2019
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  18. garyd

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    Yes yes it's only the people who investigate Democrats that are corrupt...
     
    garyd, Sep 22, 2019
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    Dude...you are telling falsehoods. Do you want those quotes?

    Would it matter?
     
    Lesh, Sep 22, 2019
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    How on earth would you know any of the details involved?
     
    Lesh, Sep 22, 2019
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  21. Aleksander Ulyanov

    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Ambassadorships and consuls to safe but non-critical posts were the archetype, but I don't know how much that is nowadays. I've often thought how much that must be a fun life. Largely going to parties being your "job"
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov, Sep 22, 2019
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  22. Golem

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    I cite non-criminal law and I cite criminal law. Since it has been demonstrated that this criminal President has violated both I cite whatever is appropriate to the debate on hand. And you try to exonerate a criminal by obfuscating the discussion.

    I quote legislation, you take words out of context. I clarify, you obfuscate. When analyzing a debate you can be sure that the person who clarifies is usually the one who knows what they're talking about.
     
    Golem, Sep 22, 2019
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  23. Pycckia

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    Pycckia, Sep 22, 2019
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    Silver Surfer, Sep 22, 2019
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    I don't believe in politics. All of this is about the hatred of one man. I don't think the constitution covers that.
     
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