Yes, according to Repub Louie Gohmert, if you support gay rights?

WTF? How did you get that out of what I said? Jesus was a Jew speaking to Jews. HE was not going to contradict the law, nor was he going to advocate contradicting it to those who received it (the Jews).

Again, that was one Jew (Paul) speaking to another Jew (Timothy). How hard is this to understand?

Yeah, so? He was also a prophet. And there were also other prophets.

Sure.

 

Which as we know is not the US. Try again.

Please read what the defintion of a strawman is before you use it incorrectly again. You claimed the Bible tells its followers to put Christians to death. Since no Christian in the history of this country has even proposed a law to execeute homosexuals for being homosexual you just proved we have evolved as Christians from sacrificing goats to putting homosexuals to death thousands of years ago.

You've denied in the past. Do I need to quote you? No problem.

They've done a nice job of making their site look legitimate at first, but if you dig a little deeper you can find it just oozing with propaganda and anti-gay sentiments.

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=331951&p=1063364868#post1063364868

That was your dismissal of evidence homosexuality isn't genetic based on nothing but personal bigotry and bias.

You've also admitted being virulently anti religion and obviously pro gay marriage.

Your side has. I'm simply cutting you off at the pass to save time before you try it.

They are being treated fairly by society. It is not society's goal to accommodate every single sexual preference just because a minority wants it.

Why in your mind does only homosexual marriage deserve this new right of yours? What makes it special? Explain that to us.

By that limited logic we should approve all marriages from polygamy to pedophilia. Is this what you want because it is the result of the general argument you just made.

 

So what do you have that Paul said about homosexuals other than him telling Jews to follow their Jewish laws and kill homosexuals?

If Christians do not have to follow these laws anymore then you have absolutely no reason to disapprove of homosexuality as a Christian. Maybe as a Jew you would, but as a Christian, no.

That is messed up.

 

It's a strawman. I said that Christians are wrong for thinking it is ok to view homosexuals immoral and think the Bible is ok when it says to kill them. Nobody should have to respect views like that.

Then you threw out some random strawman that had nothing to do with what I said. So yes, it is a strawman as I never made the claim that Christians in the US were trying to pass laws to execute homosexuals. That claim was never made by me, you made it up then expected me to defend it. Very stupid.

What do you like keep an archive of what people have said in the past? lmfao

And I have since changed my opinion. It has been a year since I said that. Time to get up with the times sir, my beliefs are not stagnant, they are ever changing and evolving as I debate here and elsewhere.

Virulently eh?

I dislike religion because it is constantly trying to stampede all over people's rights. I would have no problem with religion if the religious stopped trying to inject their beliefs into politics. If people could live peacefully and quietly worship their deities without trying to literally infect my life and others who want nothing to do with it I think religion would be just fine and dandy.

My side? Sorry, it's just me right here, doing my own thing.

Apparently it is though as per anti-discrimination laws. Don't like the laws don't start a business, or at least make it private membership so you can keep out all the people you don't like.

What new right? We're talking about removing the gender discrimination in marriage, much like we removed the racial discrimination from marriage years ago. If we remove gender discrimination then even heterosexuals can marry people of the same sex if they would like to.

Polygamy sure, pedophilia no, as children cannot give consent until they are 18 years of age or found to be of sound mind to make their own decisions by a court of law.

Nice red herring and slippery slope fallacy by the way.

 

Corinthians 6:9–10

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

Romans 1:26-27

Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

 

So gays won't go to heaven. Big whoop.

What's an 'effeminate' by the way?

So I take it you don't find two hot women getting naughty with each other sexy? lol

So many men would disagree, even good Christian men. Haha.

 

So it was added in. Then Christians really do have absolutely no reason to be against homosexuality other than personal preference. But it is clearly not mentioned by God except in the old testament, which apparently does not apply to Christians.

 

Oh yeah, going to heaven is only the entire point of the bible. Big whoop.

Drag queens.

That doesn't make it right.

 

And your Bible doesn't make those things wrong either especially with no proof of their being a deity in the first place.

 

"there" being a diety

You are right, the bible doesn't make those things wrong. They are wrong, and the bible just acknowledges that.

 

Now you say they are 'wrong'? Do you mean wrong as in their views are wrong or do you mean wrong as in they are 'immoral' wrong?

Also I think Johnnyo rather shattered Paul's words by showing that the word homosexual was not even added into the Bible until later versions, at least when Paul speaks about immoralities. What are your thoughts on that?

 

Really? Can you please give us video of your next conversation with said deity? If it exists, surely you can prove it. I'd like to meet this deity. Does it have an email address?

 

Both.

First, the King James is not the original bible. Not even close. Second, even if I were to grant that that word "homosexual" wasn't used in 1 Corinthians 6, Paul still got his point across in Romans 1:26-27.

 

How does your post even address what you quoted? Oh, I get it, when I said "there" being a diety, you missed the point entirely and thought I was asserting the fact. The reason, which should be clear if one were following the conversation, why I put "there" in quotation marks was to correct the misuse of "their" in the previous post. Hope that clears it up for you.

 

Louie compared opponents of gay rights to "Jews in Nazi Germany"....okay, fifth?

In that analogy....that means he thinks the advocates for gay rights are the "Nazis"?

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I love texmaster's post.

At first he DENIES that Gohmert was calling advocates for gay rights "Nazis"...

in his last line....HE compares advocates for gay rights to a Nazi.

Thanks, tex.

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fifth...as a fan of Paul....could you quote

Titus 3:2?

 

WHAT HE SAID is that advocates for "gay rights" are using some of the same dirty propaganda tactics that the Nazis used. WHAT HE DIDN'T SAY was anything about poison gas or skin lampshades. You know, it IS possible to adopt some practices of a group without adopting all of the practices of that group, right?

 

Hitler and the Nazis sent gay men to concentration camps, branded with the pink triangle symbol. To compare those defending equal rights for gay men and women as like the Nazis is completely idiotic in actual historical context.

 

That's a lie. There is no propaganda. Point it out.

 

I hate the bible because it gives people a false sense of authority on certain subjects like homosexuality. Because the authors of the various content in the bible didn't like gay people, here we are over a thousand years later seeing that still used as some kind of justification, but more often as a validation. Nobody has to really take a hard look at themselves if the bible is backing up their prejudice. People praise the founding fathers while talking about liberty and freedom but then switch over to the bible when it comes to denying people liberty and freedoms that others enjoy. And the biblical view of homosexuality is just one of many views and guidelines expressed in the bible, but unfortunately for gay folks it's not one of the ones that people have decided they're just going to ignore because they're inconvenient.

I don't give the bible or the people who claim to follow it much weight when it comes to biblical morality because there's no consistency. People are still choosing their own morality and prejudices for themselves, they just back them up with the bible when they happen to align and ignore the bible when they don't.

 

So gay rights advocates are only "partial Nazis"?

 

Old Testament laws do not apply to modern times.

Gays in middle eastern countries today are persecuted under sharia law.

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Why are you discussing women's rights? What does that have anything to do with gay marriage? If by "women's rights" you mean "abortion rights", then pro choicers are very similar to the nazis. they both support dehumanization of a paticular group of people.

 

So you disagree with your God then?

 

Where did i say i disagreed with God?

 

The Bible is the word of God, the entire thing, not just the parts you like, so it includes the old testament. You disregard the old testament as not applying in modern times, therefore I would say that you must disagree with your God.