Zimmerman Trial Day 5

This is essentially a continuation of ongoing and maxed Zimmerman Trial Day 4 thread, linked below...


http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/308888-zimmerman-trial-day-4-diamond-edition.html



Any predictions as to what may be revealed today? Will we have more diamonds in the rough, or perhaps more Colombian coffee makers? Somehow, I get the sense that todays testimony may not be quiet as riveting, but hopefully will go father in helping to bring justice in this case.


Your contributions/opinions are welcomed.


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Zimmerman trial over teen's death enters 5th day.

http://www.ajc.com/news/ap/crime/zimmerman-trial-over-teens-death-enters-5th-day/nYYLL/

 

It's amazing how the Trayvonites are actually pretending that "Dum Dum" was NOT a complete CATASTROPHE for the prosecution, even claiming that her LIES make her "more believable", and that Zimmerman "beat himself up"....outrageous..but funny.

 

Key witness holds firm that Zimmerman was aggressor.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2013-06-27/news/os-george-zimmerman-trial-day-14-20130627_1_trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-mark-o-mara





Rachel Diamond Jeantel

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Thanks for kicking off the new thread, Grock.

 

She was forced to admit that she HAD NO IDEA who hit whom, despite the "wishful thinking" of the biased article.

 

Yes, I agree. The Defense scored on that.


I'd have to give Thursday to the Zimmerman Team, overall. Just an opinion, obviously.

 

Don't you think Zimmerman took steps towards him after he told him to back off? "Creepy ass cracker" in Florida means "get the (*)(*)(*)(*) away from me redneck" if a NY transplant had said it. I think Zimmerman lost from what I listened to on HLN. Looks like he got himself into a fight with a kid Ina phone and when he started losing he assumed the kid would murder him, but nothing between his police call and the fight would make him reasonably think that if she was on the phone. Even if Martin hit him first, it was clear Zimmerman made at least a good bit of the closing distance to Martin. She may not have come off as bright but because English is her third language. But she didn't come off as someone who could dream up a timeline, wrong on the small details isn't a big thing, memories fade.

 

Good liars are often very convincing. Dee Dee was very convincing but she also was shown to say what she thought people wanted to hear.

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For all intents and purposes, Zimmerman's demeanor and past does not show him to throw punches while just because where Trayvon had a streak of doing just that along with it being more of a younger thing to do.

 

No, but his demeanor in the past shows him to be the kind of guy who chases people around and gets in their face. If you are told to leave a person alone, (not so many words), and you go up to them again at night you are a mutual combatant if not the aggressor. It would be reasonable for Martin to think Zimmerman was attacking him.

Zimmerman clearly did not think Martin was going to kill him on the 911 tape. He clearly took steps towards Martin at some point. It is not reasonable to think a person on a phone, or not brandishing or using a gun for that matter is going to kill you just because you are losing a fight. If you have a gun, and you think everyone will murder you if you get into a fist fight, keep some distance. The cowboy who shot the unarmed guy who punched him wasn't the hero in a Westerns I have watched.

 

[video=youtube_share;anEuw8F8cpE]http://youtu.be/anEuw8F8cpE[/video]

 

Really? Zimmy clearly took at least one massive punch to the face from Saint Hoodie. There is no way in hell you can assume to know what he thought when he was prone with a tough strong kid beating him. There is no way you yourself can know what you would think or do unless you are in that situation.

Zimmy was playing cop and the next thing he knew he had messed with a high testosterone dude and he panicked. And, for all we know, Saint Hoodie may have fully intended to beat the Creepy Ass Cracker to death.

 

[video=youtube;T6-fskZimu4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6-fskZimu4[/video]

 

She was a disaster for the prosecution.

It was pitiful watching people making excuses for her yesterday, and acting like the defense attorney was being too hard on her. There wasn't any doubt that she was lying about many things. He was just doing his job calling her out on it.

 

the media is all over the place with reporting this. the bias by the liberal media is crystal clear. the defense has been kick butt and taking names.

 

it doesn't matter what the state puts on as evidence if they can't explain why trayvon ended up right back where he "ran from" then it is clear he was the aggressor.

 

The interesting thing is... this is the time for the State to shine, next comes the Defense.


If this is the best they have, I believe Zimmerman has a good chance at walking.



Just an opinion.

 

I wonder why Dee Dee didn't lie when she said Martin called Zimmy a cracka & n-word ?

 

The ME and detectives' testimony should be very interesting. I'm curious regarding the autopsy's level of thoroughness. The Sanford lead detective has retained his own counsel and he told the FBI that he felt presured by three fellow police officers to charge GZ without having the probable cause to do so at that time. Tracy Martin needed Dee-DEE to get GZ charged, and lo and behold he found her.

 

Do you feel that she lied?

 

Her goal was clearly to get Zimmy convicted, so why would she lie about that? Exotix knows she didn't lie about that, it would be counter to her motives and those of her coaches in the persecution's office.

 

As the weakness of the prosecution's case becomes more and more apparent, so does this aspect of the whole persecution as well.

 

I do ... problem is, she heard what all the other witnesses heard and saw ... what was damning was Dee Dee's testimony of Zimmy in the pursuit of Martin ... this is irrefutable and goes to Zimmys 911 call which I think is the reason Zimmy will hang.

 

Day 5....will the defense sweep continue or will the prosecution finally come up with something that actually matches up to the charges brought against George.

So far the only thing the prosecution has shown is the lynch mobs idiocy... from PF all the way to Nancy Grace...and that Trayvon was killed while committing a hate crime.

 

No rational person will seperate that from the other lies .... certainly not the jury.

 

I need clarification on the charge.I heard a few prosecutors last night
on both MSNBC and Fox mention Manslaughter.That maybe on account
the State's Star Witness was { shredded one said } and at best not too credible
that maybe the State should go for Manslaughter.
What' that all about.?
Zimmerman is not on Trial for his life but is on Trial for Life in Prison
or at Minimum 25 years.Because he used a firearm the minimum isn't 16 yrs.
but 25 yrs.
Plus 2nd degree Murder isn't as serious a charge as 1st degree Murder and
the reason Casey Anthony had 12 jurors and Zimmerman has 6 jurors.
Could the State actually decide to lessen the charge somewhere during this
Trial to Manslaughter.
Because in Florida the penalty for Manslaughter is a minimum of 9 yrs and
up to 15 yrs.So it makes a pretty big difference.

 

Beleive what you will, but when rational people consider her motive in lying about the other issues, they will understand. I have faith that they are smarter than you apparently are. Why would she lie about something damaging to Trayvon?