Asked before- If abortion were illegal? How would you prove one happened?

AGAIN, why did you quote him but not address what was in his post???

And the other thing you're avoiding:

What exactly do you tell the police when you call 911 to report a suspected abortion?

HOW do you "suspect " an abortion?

Where is the "body"?

 

What the majority wants does not mean rights should be taken away from others. (And the majority wants legal safe abortions.)






HOW is "social order" disrupted by abortions?



How has Canada been harmed ? They have no abortion laws.

 

You maintain social order WHILE PRESERVING FREEDOM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE by implementing only the necessary rules of fairness and justice. That means the minority can also have what is best for them most of the time. Morality can be determined by individuals until some particular act begins to cause disorder. Government only exists to maintain order, it does not exist to enforce morality.

Anti-abortion laws have been proven to cause harm.

You and many others are not looking at history or even current events in other countries. You cannot show that abortion causes harm to a woman or to society in general. You can only claim harm to the unborn because no unborn has ever complained.

 

I also want legal, safe, free abortions, but with reasonable restrictions, as does the majority of the world, and i believe even the majority of the US wants some kind of restriction.

Social order is disrupted by people adopting the view that the weak and vulnurable are a nuisance and are disposable.

I believe, despite having no legal restrictions, most (if not all) hospitals/clinics in Canada will only do elective abortions until 20 weeks and only therapeutic abortions thereafter.

If you want to see the damage, look at a country that does allow unrestricted abortion. China and north korea have very little value of human life. The people there will walk past an injured child in the street like it means nothing. People will dispose of live babies like they mean nothing. Is that your ideal society?

 

Yes, but disposing of the weak and vulnerable, without good reason is not how a society functions.

Today we kill the unborn because we see them as less worthy or life than us, and undeserving of human rights. Before that we killed the jews. Before that we killed the slaves. Before that the native americans. Before that the liberal women (witches). Before that the blasphemous pagans.

In fifty years when my granddaughter asks what i did when they were killing fetuses for no good reason, i will tell her i was fighting for their rights.

 

...and, no, you are not Pro-Life, you are Anti_choice.



Care to tell me what you mean by ""Abortion under certain economic, social, legal and health conditions up until 20 weeks.""?

What economic, social, legal and health conditions? WOW you sure want women to have to go through a lot to have a medical procedure....do they need a certain "social" status to be granted one by you? Do they need to be poor or wealthy or middle income to meet YOUR economic conditions? And YOUR approval of their health?


Gee, no control issue there

 

What "forensic evidence"? The fetus? If it dies in utero....and a doctor has to perform the MEDICALLY NECESSARY therapeutic D&C to prevent infection and uterine bleeding...

there is NO forensic "difference" between that and an elective abortion.



BTW, I am getting very suspicious of your claim that you are "not pro-life"...since you are desperately trying to keep the fantasy of a "pro-life America" and an abortion bans being able to be enforced alive.....as any "pro-lifer" tries to do.

 

I think that poster ran from this thread.....along with all the other Anti-Choicers who can't face those inconvenient questions.....

 

Again, note the dishonesty of the "pro-lifers".....he tries to claim "I'm not pro-life"....but then takes the exact same positions and offers up the same energetic argument against the OP....as any "pro-lifer" would.


This is a common trait you see....they have to be dishonest to further their agenda or to try to paint themselves as "moderates"....to try to win political battles.

 

I actually answered this already in another post. If both the patient and dr colluded in this situation, there would be no proof, unless they euthanized the fetus before the d&c. Thats why they would have to put in safe guards such as a second doctor confirming the fetus was dead before extraction, but ofcourse that second doctor could also collude with them.

I have answered all these questions hypothetically, I would never support an all out ban on abortion, but I don't really care if you think I'm pro life or not. I know what I am and what I believe in.

 

Some want more restrictions than I do, some want less. Regardless, I am among the majority that wants some kind of restriction on abortion.

I am also a "she" who has experienced 2 abortions, 1 miscarriage, 4 live births and I was pro choice up until around 4 years ago.

 

Isn't there scarring left behind from an abortion?

 

Oh, so you got YOUR choice but don't want anyone else to have a choice......

 

And they aren't honest enough or brave enough to address those inconvenient questions or posts.........if they run up against facts they just want to ignore them..

 

Sometimes. But there is also scarring after a d&c which is neccesary in a miscarriage when the products of birth haven't expelled naturally.

 

I shouldn't think so. What kind of scarring?

 

Thank you for agreeing with my OP.

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No more than any normal scarring that would occur after a therapeutic D&C needed for an incomplete miscarriage.

 

In most cases, it's due to living in an Echo Chamber.......Rightwing Media, "pro-life" websites, church discussions, etc.

In those settings, hypotheticals that are logical extrapolations of their stated goals....are never raised.

They all just sit around, pat themselves on the back, and talk about "The day is coming soon when we'll ban abortion in the US...and there will be no more abortions in the US", and everybody nods and smiles....

and never gives a second thought as to "How that would work"...or not work.

 

Simple....you pull down her panties, reach your hand into her vagina, feel around for stuff, and take pictures to show the jury. If her husband gets a bit upset, you tazer his ass and charge him with disorderly conduct. As for her....who cares, she is obviously an evil slut for Satan.

 

Drop the hyperbole down from a Spinal Tap "11" to a "7" or "8"....

and we've seen some male "pro-lifers" here on this Forum make very similar remarks.

I'd bring up two who support the idea, if abortion were illegal, of having "ultrasounds at airports"....to examine women before they leave the country to make sure they don't "escape and kill their babies in a foreign country."

 

Scarring of the Uterine Lining - Suction tubing, curettes, and other abortion instruments may cause permanent scarring of the uterine lining.

http://www.carenetpregnancycenter.com/abortionproceduresandrisks.htm