Asked before- If abortion were illegal? How would you prove one happened?

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  1. KSigMason

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    That would be up to the prosecutor or police on how the warrant would be worded.

    An abortion in this instance.

    I never said that either. Quit assuming things here.

    Crimes worse than murder?
     
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    But you'd support that idea....right?

    The idea of the court issuing a search warrent....for a woman's uterus?
     
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    Just like any other crime, one would have a high suspicion with enough that the police needed to investigate. It would be like reporting any other crime; what part about that don't you (*)(*)(*)(*)ing get?

    What a horrible and repugnant thing to say.

    They should be punished according to the law.

    Like any other crime. I realize you're trying to paint me into a corner, but I'm not going to do it.
     
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    I support the idea of police investigating crimes and needing a warrant as defined by the Constitution.
     
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    Apples and oranges.

    Again, this would be dependent on the situation and the language of the law.

    I support lawful search warrants.

    I gave an example earlier that you mocked. As I said, reporting this would be like reporting any other crime. This is all hypothetical so quit trying to nit-pick it to death.MOD EDIT - Rule 3

    I'm familiar with the law and what actually constitutes self-defense. You saying this just further confirms what kind of person you are.

    Actually I'm not. I answered and your trying to limit me now because you don't like my answers.

    Like I said, you guys are freaking out way too much about this, which is pretty entertaining.
     
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    But gays wanted to be married so the public could give them rights AND let them behave in a way that makes them uniquely gay (loving a person of the same sex)

    The patriarchy has told women if they want rights they have to give up what makes them uniquely women (the ability to carry, birth and feed a child from her body)
     
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    You gave no example.......I have been waiting a long time for an Anti-Choicer to give one so I have been paying attention and you haven't told me what you would say when you called 911 to report the suspected crime of abortion. At least give me an answer I can dislike before you claim something that didn't happen.

    Your " you like killing babies" is inflammatory.......nowhere have I indicated I like killing babies (your ignorance of what an abortion is , is obvious).

    You do not have any knowledge of what self defense means or any law if you think abortion kills babies.
     
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    No, the patriarchy has told women that if they want to have sex, they have to pay for it by becoming a parent (if the timing is such that a pregnancy results). The patriarchy is not interested in women having rights at all.
     
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    Exactly. A man can have sex, create a life and go on his merry way. A woman can have sex, create life and us then forced to chose between going on her merry way and killing that life. Why can she not keep that life AND go on her merry way? Why? Because women have given in to the patriarchy.
     
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    I guess you'll go wanting then. I answered your question and you didn't like it.

    What else are you doing when you terminate a pregnancy?

    Well, since I've received training by military and police forces in self-defense and the use of lethal force I'd have to disagree. Abortion is not self-defense; to say otherwise is a poor attempt to justify murdering the innocent.
     
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    As the mother of four children, you should know why it's not possible for women to do that.

    Giving birth is life changing.
     
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    No. Not unless she finds a good partner who supports her in all her glorious femininty (as my husband does), OR if the patriarchal society changes to accommodate her.

    Allowing unfettered access to abortion will not support a womans right to be a woman.
     
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    You are off topic and DERAILING this thread, too...Try the damn topic .


    ....let's not let ridex derail another thread with her same crap....Asked before- If abortion were illegal? How would you prove one happened?
     
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    That makes no sense whatsoever.

    Of course it does. Why not? Women are more than just baby making machines.
     
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    Yes or No? Under an abortion ban in a State or nationally, would you support the police obtaining a "search warrent for a uterus"?


    Why can't you give a direct answer to that....you 99% there.
     
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    Sorry, but NOBODY is buying your Orwellian attempt to claim that people who want to give women reproductive rights are "misogynistic patriarchael men"...

    while people (like some here) who want to CONTROL women and their reproduction are the ones "fighting for the freedom of women".

    It's like a white racist saying "Those durn civil rights agitators hate you black folks...they want to burden you with being able to vote and drink from any water fountain you want."

    It's borderline crazy....but 100% dishonest and "doublethink"
     
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    Her "argument" is.....it's "oppressive patriarchy" for women to be sexually and reproductively free.....

    and "true freedom for women" is supporting a bunch of mostly men telling them what to do with their bodies and having a husband who "supports" her as long as she conforms to pre-1960s ideas of what a woman should be.

    See? Simple.
     
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    Abortion kills baby. Trying to justify your actions by saying it's a fetus doesn't change that.

    And what makes you an expert on self-defense? You read about it somewhere online?

    COS_ECHO (1).JPG

    The number of abortions would outweigh any civilian death during war.


    I'm still saying though that to even put up such an "if" statement is repugnant and horrible.

    Except it wouldn't have the same responsibilities as its life is dependent on another (not by its own choice, but by nature) and has no understanding of the law since there is no way to introduce it to the law while still in the uterus. You again are still trying to justify murder.
     
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    Because I'm not going to be painted into a corner. Like I said, I support lawful search warrants. If it meets the qualifications as defined by the Constitution and is used to search for evidence a crime, I support it.
     
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    There is no corner, except the one you paint for yourself. Like I said, you have 99% agreed to my question.....you just don't like how it's worded and how it obviously makes you look if we use direct, clear language about what you want....

    YOU WANT, under an abortion ban, police to be able to obtain "search warrents for the uterus."

    This is the inevitable road that a vehement "pro-lifer" has to go down if they stick to their guns and begin to discuss HOW they would enforce a ban on abortion....short version?

    a "Womb Gestapo".....

    with neighbors "ratting out" neighbors for "suspicion of having an abortion"...

    ultrasounds at border crossings and airports ...to prevent women from "escaping to a foreign country to kill their babies."....

    police state powers that make the Patriot Act look like a jaywalking law....where women can be hauled in on "suspicion" and be forced to undergo an invasive "medical examination"....

    based on nothing more than hearsay and innuendo.
     
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    My language was pretty direct and clear. It's just not the language you want, but giving you what you want has never been my goal.

    So you're against police officers obtaining a search warrant for crimes?
     

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