Religious and Moral Implications of Artificial Intelligence.

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  1. AboveAlpha

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    LOL!!

    Yeah....I am a Baaaaaaaaaaad Boy!

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    Who I suspect will rather enjoy considering this possibility......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=465052&page=4&p=1066474699#post1066474699


    Thread: Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy?
     
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    The implications of A. I...... even philosophically.....
    are huge!


    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=407875&page=42&p=1066545078#post1066545078
     
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    Near death experiencer Mellen Benedict stated that we humans have
    what he termed an "over soul" that seems to have memories that go back
    in the past to before the Big Bang.

    AI would not have that over soul.......
    so how would not having all those subconscious memories affect AI?
     
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    But AI will not be able to remember all of this.....

    http://www.near-death.com/reincarnation/experiences/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a05
     
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    Morality is learned and is not something inborn. What you're thinking about is empathy and lack there of that shapes morality. Even animals have empathy

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    I'd wager that the only real thing that separates us is the fact that humans are the only animals to create a coherent language. It's probably our language skill (ability to identify and define concepts) which further developed our brains by building new neuron connections. It's likely language itself that gave us ability to truly think. You think in language. If you didn't know any sort of language then you won't be able to think. You'll just have a small understanding of vague and unnamed concepts; and thus be action instead of thought oriented. You might call this behavior instinctual.

    "In the beginning there was the word." We developed words to define our thoughts in order to better communicate.

    "And the word was god and the word was with god" Language gave us a better sense of empathy as we could communicate our feelings and needs better

    Evil was born in a similar fashion as the good. If you could reason good, then by the same token you can reason evil. Revenge is the most common reason. Another is the reason of a greater good. Would you kill few million to save a few billion? Or would you suppress another people to let your people thrive? We can see primitive version of this though among animals. Like among wolves, who exile their rivals or even kill them to ensure the pack cohesion. Here you have the concept of a greater good. When that concept is labeled and defined it suddenly becomes more complex. This goes back to my point that the only thing that separates animal from man is a coherent language


    Self learned programs. Pre program it with the basics and have it learn everything else on its own and from verbal and visula input frim others. This way it can develop just like any person would. Through understanding and language.
     
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    As long as that is preprogrammed in. Near death experience, like seeing the face of god or what not, comes from DMT being released.

    So AI can be preprogrammed to have a trip when it's about to die to alleviate it's death
     
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    I could be wrong......
    but my theory is that Moshiach ben Ephrayim / Yosef...... and......
    Moshiach ben David......
    to at least some degree will apply these verses......
    and I do hope that the fulfillment of this could be that many seriously messed up people end up
    "slain in the spirit" as has happened to my wife on a number of occasions in Pentecostal church meetings.

    For the record.... I can walk down through Fire Tunnels with some really gifted
    Pentecostal leaders..... and I don't fall to the floor like my wife does........

    Slain.... is somehow a metaphor, (my apologies if that is not the correct word for it).... for somebody
    coming to repentance / teshuvah.

    Isaiah 59:16

    "And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.

    For he put on righteousness as a breastplate, and an helmet of salvation upon his head; and he put on the garments of vengeance for clothing, and was clad with zeal as a cloke.

    According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.

    So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him."
     
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    Fallen..... do you know of any cases where somebody used DMT.....
    came back in a state of shock.... because they
    saw the Face of G-d.....
    and G-d looked like their own twin sister or brother?

    I have a theory on the being of light as perhaps.... being our most ancient
    over - soul.......

    Near death experiencer the late Gary Plumley met himself........
    and judged himself during his tenth brush with death due to cardiac arrest.
     
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    Yes.... that can be arranged.....
    and if eventually A. I. is programmed in a somewhat similar manner to the film Transcendence starring Johnny Depp
    then......
    each A. I. may meet their own most ancient soul......
    and that soul... could be human.......

    ....(and that human of course had an even more ancient soul)........
     
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    So what you are saying is humans lack empathy but animals don't? Humans are animals


    The ability to create language comes from having the capacity to do it. So I'd say higer brain function is responsible for it.

    I still say it's the intellectual ability to create language




    If it can't question it's program, than its just following its program.
     
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    On a scale of one to ten.....
    one being...... "that is ridiculous".....
    and ten being..... hey... "that really does seem possible"......

    How would you personally rate the possibility of us actually meeting with a
    previously deceased pet when we die?


    http://www.near-death.com/experiences/with-pets.html

    Near-Death Experiences with Deceased Pets and Animals
     
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    I have no idea. I don't know what this has to do with anything.
     
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    I personally would score a nine or ten in that poll.....

    I am wide open to the possibility of animals having a similar type of soul to what we humans have......

    If we can see how our greatest minds might just be forced in the not too distant future to design some sort of
    virtual reality environment replete even with what appears like an "Afterlife" for Artificial Intelligence
    THEN.....
    we can relate the question of the opening post with some potential problems that we humans are facing........
     
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    What in earth are you talking about?
     
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    I am comparing both human and animal life
    and intelligence to
    whatever type of Artificial Intelligences we may soon develop.......
     
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    You may not want to quote my post when doing that. What you said had absolutely nothing to do with it.
     
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    Take a look at the title of this thread......
    if...... we humans eventually do develop A. I.
    that are so brilliant that they have something resembling identity and personality......
    then obviously we also have to give them a form or body..........

    Some A. I. could well be made to look like animals......
    A. I. that looks like a human woman will probably sell better......

    If Richard Dawkins Ph. D.'s theory that an alien civilization may have
    developed thousand or millions of year before we became technologically advanced.....

    then one of the logical questions that rise out of this is......
    could we human be a form of A. I...... from another perspective?



    Richard Dawkins: Aliens Seeded Earth?
     
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    I have. I've posted as far as my interest goes.
     
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    at least so far, AI doesn't make its own rules to rule by, or decide by, therefore it falls on its maker what the outcome should be, and the rules it should follow.
     
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    Artificial intelligence has not yet been achieved. What has been achieved is massive computational power coupled with the ability to learn from mistakes in order to improve the probability of correct decisions. If true AI ever happens we will be obsolete.because man will never be able to match the computational power of machines that can also actually think.

    Should true AI ever happen man will have a great future as pets, assuming of course the machines have an emotional need for pets.
     
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    By any chance do you have a family member or close friend who is psychic.......
    or so deeply religious that their approach to life has profoundly offended you?

    You seem to be scared of evidence of intelligence / life in higher dimensions of space time.

    This fear often arises from somebody we know offending us with their approach to spirituality.
     
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    AboveAlpha claims to be in a position to know that he knows that A. I has indeed been developed.........
    and it is absolutely NOT allowed to be connected to the internet!

    As you can tell from this other discussion......
    I take his comments on the topic of A. I. as well as many other subjects very seriously.......


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-the-office-of-potus-as-early-as-2016.397835/


    Should AboveAlpha allow us to set him up for the office of POTUS as early as 2016?
     
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    There is no such thing as psychic
    Not even close.

    What like afterlife? Nit really, I do believe in that.

    You didn't offend me, it's just that every post you ever make to me is an attempt to talk about NDE. That isn't something I've ever experienced. I read the website you linked a couple months ago, I found it interesting but my knowledge on thst is very shallow. ​
     
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