Religious and Moral Implications of Artificial Intelligence.

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  1. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    First you will have to learn Calculus.....then learn Multiversal Polymorphic Algebraic Quadratic Equations and how to create a Proof.

    Then you need to learn the symbology, syntax...etc.

    Then you move on to the New Form Calculus.

    Learn all that.....then I can detail it out for you.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    You know, I don't think we've gone over the spiritual implications of A.I..

    If you think there is any kind of spirituality why can't the A.I. have a soul, spirit, or some kind of out-of-body experience???
     
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    Actually......take a look at what a QUIBIT is first.

    That will tell you a lot.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Can they at least have some other internet? Internet for A.I.s? They could come with their own built in browser.
     
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    I don't see why not?

    That is if a soul exists.

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    Very BAD idea.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Souls are real ask DennisTate.

    Argh, I would offer experiences of my own, but I can't trust myself either because I have mental illness.

    Well, at least there are theories about consciousness existing as a fundamental part of the Universe. Remember the Orchistrated consciousness idea? Where consciousness comes from quantum vibrations of microtubules in the brain? That the same people who came up with that idea went on to dream up the idea that near-death experiences come from the consciousness leaving the body and entering the Universe?

    I would hate to live an existence that doesn't include access to the internet.
     
  7. AboveAlpha

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    Well they never proved their research.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    And we can't prove any spiritual side of life because our tools aren't advanced enough to analyze this stuff.

    And we can't tell from experiences, because sometimes when we're dying our brain makes stuff up.

    So, say, I could be dying, bawling my eyes out at the effort of it all, and then, the next moment, I become so happy that I don't even care anymore that I'm dying even if I can feel it. (And yes I think you CAN feel dying...) A big smile crosses my face, and I tell the doctor they would be doing me a BIG favor if he or she just let me die. That I know I'm going to a better place and I really don't want to stick around any longer than I have to...

    The Doctor doesn't believe me. Why? Because people can get into a state of altered consciousness when they're dying, but actually it's just their brain making something up.

    But I have also heard that sometimes Doctors, Nurses, or wait staff sometimes share in the wonderful experience of a dying person. Isn't that strange????
     
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    Actually AboveAlpha, I know you died once. And you experienced nothing. That's about as much as we can expect regarding personal experiences.

    You're version of events is just as good as anyone else's experiences.
     
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    Yeah but I was just Clinically Dead after the Synth-Morph stopped my heart and lungs after being shot and injured for 16 hours.

    My brain waves never stopped.

    THAT....is true death.

    A person who falls through the ice can achieve brain wave function to stop.

    But they can be brought back and their brain reboots like a computer.

    Those are the people worth talking to.

    AA
     
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    All of reality would probably blow out our circuitry............... or might feel like it at first anyway?!

     
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    In chapter 5 of Dannion Brinkley's book "Saved By The Light" he was shown an alternate time line where a computer genius developed an organic computer chip....... became astonishingly rich and powerful..... the technology boosted the world economy......and the inventor kind of took over the world...... and fulfilled many of the predictions of the Book of Revelation.

    I am convinced that we are in a different and vastly better time line but...... the dangers cannot be ignored.
     
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    You are wise to be scared of it.

    Helen Wambach Ph. D. and Dr. Chet Snow got some pretty scary results to their study of people who could be progressed into the future while hypnotized.

    They saw somewhere around a ninety to ninety five percent depopulation of the earth.... but then the population rebounds quite a bit by 2200 - 2400. But....... that was a different time line and we are free to make choices to alter pretty much the whole thing this time around.

    http://astralcity.org/issue/95
     
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    First we must agree upon defining a spirit.

    The Animists or pagans believed that spirits existed which were invisible to us.
    Many Christians also believe this animism too.
    They see the Devil and Satan as invisible people-looking personalities which can enter into us.
    The Roman Catholics believe in exercising the evil spirits out of people too.

    All thus thinking was ancient in origin.
    But the great Hebrew scholar and expert Maimonides said this way back around the 12th century:

    Maimonides meticulously classifies angelic rankings (there are ten), in his rationalistic system Maimonides equates them with the Aristotelian "intelligences" that mediate between the spheres.
    As such they are conscious and govern the spheres in their motion, but in his Aristotelian context Maimonides is saying they are forms of natural causation rather than supernatural beings.

    He also expands his definition to include natural phenomenon and even human psychology when he refers to the libidinous impulse as the "angel of lust".

    In other words, before Freud and Carl Jung, Maimonides saw these spirits as our Subconscious archetypes.
     
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    What Kant described as the actual things themselves he said we could not see.
    We had to use our senses to determine what they seemed to be.
    We used our senses to discover what existed and then behaved in accord with that information.

    We find immediately that most things do match with our sensory deductions, and we behave as if they are really there.
    And they do seem to be there as we act upon the thoughts.

    But what we have done is assume the thoughts were correct, and act upon them.
    We are reinforced again and again that our thoughts are the Reality, when they are just thoughts which we use as if it is the Reality, itself.
     
  16. DennisTate

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    Yup.......

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140116085105.htm



    Since fundamental or nearly fundamental energy..... theoretically operates at some TRILLION times the level of energy that can be attained in a vacuum chamber ...… there is logic in this idea............. even though it makes many Atheists and scientists uncomfortable!
     
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    Yes, the biological reasons for our Consciousness are an interesting area of discovery.
    Penrose has interesting ideas which seem reasonable enough.

    But, we all know about Consciousness, and that it exists.

    What I see as important is that Consciousness is a State-of-mind.
    It is an extension of the Response to fear.
    During that response to fear, our mind... consciously... waits.
    This waiting is the reaction as we decide whether to fight or flee.
    During our long evolution, waiting has become longer and longer, because we have recognized that Reality is very big, and much needs be considered before deciding how to respond.

    Proverbs 2:5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God, (i.e.; Reality itself).
    The "pause"os the State of ind we call nsciousness.
     
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    Understand fear of the Lord???

    I have spent the majority of my life overcoming fear.

    When your Lead you have to as everyone looks up to you to be the Rock.

    The biggest mistake of my LIFE was the day that I was not afraid.

    It is a system of protection.

    Understanding reality......fear plays no part.

    AA
     
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    Well said...… What do you think of this explanation CupidDave:

    http://www.allaboutchristian.com/spirituality/

     
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    AboveAlpha… I just gave CupidDave an interesting quotation that seems to indicate that something of a transcendent state can be achieved through "runners high."

    I get the impression that you have had some experiences along the line of this.

    Would you say that the human mind, hear, soul, spirit..... (whatever we call it)...… seems almost capable of tuning into a higher frequency....... especially when we can overcome our fear of that part within ourselves?

    What do you think of the idea that these states of consciousness may have something to do with....... the higher levels of energy theorized in the higher invisible space - time dimensions of String Theory?

    www.CarbonBias.blogspot.ca/
     
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    Without using the synonymy 'awareness," we really have no explanation for this awareness we call Consciousness.
    What is Consciousness.
    I is a State of mind, for sure.

    But the experience we call consciousness seems connected with the pause we recognize when we experience Fear.
    During that State-of-mind, when fear fills us up, we are being conscious as we used our therein "free will" to decide what we should tell our body to do, (i.e.; flee or fight,... or wait).
    We can use the moment of fear to consciously think about the conditions as we hope to discover more info.

    That is all Consciousness is.
    It is an extension of the once very rapid Reaction to fear, with very little time for a choice.
     
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    Human is composed more than just mind or a brain. The scientists can't understand and create soul and spirit, which are key components of God's creations. Soul and spirit contan powers are more powerful than mind and brain. They also don't know what is glory, love and peace which are actually very powerful forces and energies in the creation. These mad shallow modern scientists only mimicing the shell of life, they still have a very, very long way to go before they can challenge God.
     
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    God Himself is the main component of all creation.
     
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    I do get a High when I run.

    But that day I got shot I was not afraid and after I was shot I was afraid.

    The FEAR kicked my adrenaline flow into overdrive and it allowed me to turn over from laying on my back shot to laying on my stomach and allowed me to kill the SOB who shot me.

    Fear is a good thing.

    It keeps you alive.

    I might have been very confident in a variety of conflicts but after that I always had fear to remind me what was at stake.

    AA

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    Define...GOD.

    AA
     
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    The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom!!!
     

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