Majority Of Americans Support Single Payer

Trump would be biting from the hands that feed him. Don't hold your breath. It's not about what is best for America. It's about an incredibly powerful insurance industry, with a lot of highly-paid executives, who pad their pockets, every time you and I have a claim.

 

Is it worse than its predecessor, Subsidized Emergency Room Care for the poor and uninsured? We'll probably be back to that, when all is said and done, along with a historical repeat of the 30 years of rapidly rising premiums.

 

Yeah.. You're probably right.

 

Yep, and every billion dollars in insurance company profits is a billion that the People spend on healthcare they don't get. The only way to make universal healthcare that is affordable and accessable is to remove the insurance companies from the equation, and more importantly, increase the number of doctors. For some reason no one in either party wants to address the most basic law of economics: supply and demand. If you make demand universal, the only way to keep prices (and wait times) down is to increase the supply of healthcare (not insurance policies).

 

I politely ask two questions and rather get answers, I get another question. Can you answer the question, please?

 

It was a rhetorical question.
Currently there is ZERO competition, so I do not know where the notion of competition came from.
Competition leads to price reduction, and we only get price increase 5 - 10% above average inflation.
Actually we have negative competition, despite technological advances and automation.

If competition is negative, by stemming and fixing prices we will increase it to Zero.

 

The Obama plan was awesome for insurance firms. So long as they paid off Obama.

 

Maybe this will help clarify things:


What Is A Single Payer?

A single payer refers to a system in which one entity (usually the government) pays all the medical bills for a specific population. And usually (though, again, not always) that entity sets the prices for medical procedures.

A single-payer system is not the same thing as socialized medicine. In a truly socialized medicine system, the government not only pays the bills but also owns the health care facilities and employs the professionals who work there.

The Veterans Health Administration is an example of a socialized health system run by the government. The VA owns the hospitals and clinics and pays the doctors, nurses and other health providers.

Medicare, on the other hand, is a single-payer system in which the federal government pays the bills for those who qualify, but hospitals and other providers remain private.

Which Countries Have Single-Payer Health Systems?

As far as countries that have true single-payer systems, Anderson lists only two: Canada and Taiwan.

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...gle-payer-health-care-but-what-is-it-exactly

 

Single payer performs better in general, if you look at all of the other advanced societies in the world. The VA was actually considered very good in the late 90s and early 2000s, but congress chose not to fund increased need that came from our recent wars. If everybody had the same floor of coverage, that coverage would be protected by the fact that everybody gets it and so everybody has an interest in it - sort or like medicare, but better - and UNLIKE medicaid, that often gets defunded or underfunded because most people don't care about the poor.

 

That is simply dumb.. No insurance firms "paid off" the President.

 

No the VA was NOT considered very good in the 90s or 2000. It was full of miserable doctors and whistleblowers. I got 3 calls a month for nearly 2 decades from VA docs wanting out.

Medicare is single payer private delivery.

 

Medicare is single payer private delivery, yes. Well sort of there are supplemental plans but basically yes. I do think that would be a better model for the country, particularly given what we start with.

As to the VA, your anecdotes mean basically nothing, unless you were trying to provide a counter to an assertion that all doctors at the VA love their jobs, which is not what I said and not even close to the most relevant measure of their healthcare quality. And as far as I have heard, timeliness of elective care is their weakest point right now, which is a funding issue.

Here's an actual source showing the VA does fine: http://www.rand.org/pubs/external_publications/EP66619.html

 

The only Americans that want single payer are the ones that know nothing about how to implement it, or what it would cost.

I heard an interview with a guy that did a study for the state of Oregon to see if they could go to a single payer system. The end result, they could, but it would be political, and possibly state economic, suicide.

Employers would be stuck with an additional payroll tax of 6%. Individuals would see their income taxes rise 80%. This is assuming the feds keep kicking in all of the medicare and Medicaid money they are now.

 

If the goal was to slow rising costs, why wasn't there anything in there to address the reasons costs are rising?

 

Do you have a link for this whopper?

 

It did slow rising costs, but not as much as hoped for... You can't succeed until you get Insurance companies out of healthcare.. and that was too big a leap 7 years ago. Too many tools running around who think there is only one single payer model.

 

It needs to be national to work. Single payer private delivery is Medicare for everyone.... meaning coverage would be universal and costs would stabilize. You wouldn't need an increase in taxes. As it stands now insurance companies are taking 36-40% of the healthcare dollar and we're still stuck with cost shifting because young, working families don't use the largest part of the healthcare dollar.

 

Because both Democrats or Republicans receive donation from medical cartel and insurance business. It is actually the case of trivial corruption on a big scale.

Nevertheless introduction of Single Payer i.e. money management by the government, will
1. remove insurance industry out of the picture, and that itself reduce cost by at least 10%
2. force medical providers to accept prices set by the government.
3. force the government to license more physicians, allow more pharmacy products and medical equipment on the market.
The end result will be price reduction at least 40%.

Currently, the single payer is impossibility, because of the corrupted political system where government delegates health care regulation to private organizations and those organizations act as an active market participants at the same time.

 

Single payer will work only on federal level, separate states will be crushed, by medical cartel.

 

I agree single payer was too big of a leap. It was the real goal though and the dems bribed a terrible cost shifting bill through as a stop gap measure until they could force single payer through.

Insurers are only allowed 20% of their total revenue for non claims expenditures by the ACA so you would be wrong.

The govt defacto took over the student loan industry a couple decades ago, what happened to those costs?

None of your points have any basis in reality.

Force medical providers to accept govt rates? They do for medicare, which is a big part of the reason costs of private insurance has gone up, to cover what medicare doesnt.

So you want more doctors, and you want them to work for less? Is the govt going to pay all of their school bills also?

Single payer wont work in the US on any level.

 

Medicare pays 87% under its own steam.. with 13% not paid for by payroll taxes.

 

Obama Received $20 Million from Healthcare Industry in 2008 Campaign

 

And I bet 75% have no idea what Obamacare is/does and that it is failing or what a government run single payer system would be in the end. They just see the "free" part and since almost 50% don't pay income taxes what do they have to lose?

 

So how much did they contribute to Trump's campaign?

 

VA is the most expensive healthcare in America.. 36 to 46% higher than Medicare of Private hospitals.