Single Payer nightmare in hell complete with death panels

Yeah works fine until the government b'crats tell YOU to go home and die.

 

But corporate b'crats deciding that should be applauded, right?

 

Tell us of you medical degree, and how you know the situation of the english boy.

 

Tell me how any members of congress will have rationed health care.

 

I would have to get that information from a set of doctors, which is exactly what I did.

Where are you getting your information again?

 

Numerous doctors have evaluated that boy and that is their assessment. The only doctor saying otherwise is the guy who the parents are potentially going to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to.

 

They've actually raised over $1.5 million, and the individual doctor himself says that this is uncharted territory. Not once has this procedure successfully treated a patient with this child's condition.

 

It's not even designed for it. And the condition it is designed to treat, it fails the vast majority of cases.

 

No, they can buy a heart/lung machine and hire 0those to operate it.

What they can not do is demand the services of the hospital - which are scarce and needed by others.

The only freedom they did not have was the freedom to co-opt hospital services.

 

there are plenty of nightmares here in the USA.. what's your point?

 

Today AND before Obamacare there are/were limits to what care is/was provided, too.

In fact, decisions are still made by government, as without government regulation insurance companies have proven more ready to kick out those who need care.

The real difference is that under single payer, health care expenditure has proven to be lower and everyone gets served - not just those who have enough wealth to pay or who can compete for the limited supply of public assistance.

 

Imagine if Trump somehow managed to cost those cost of healthcare in the US in half. You guys would be out here singing his praises every day. That is the cost of French healthcare which you somehow think is way too expensive. European healthcare is growing faster than their economies but it is nothing like the US and can be explained by an aging population and growing obesity.

 

And to think the left are so "About" science, but in the case of a medical science and a child with nothing to loose they are quick to throw in the towel because politicians say it's fruitless to even try.. Pretty much the mantra of the leftist, right, "fruitless to try, so we give up"! Clearly depicts folks of that era, failure was and continues to be an acceptable option

Born to serve taught to fail, and the scars run deep!

 

Abortion comes to mind.

 

Imagine if Republicans could chase out those Demos in disguise within their party. They just might be able to cut the cost of healthcare.

Oh and the only reason I showed the French model was due to it failing. Just think if they had our population. It would be just like BO peep special care package and in a death spiral.

 

And I showed that their healthcare is actually really cheap compared to the US.

 

Its going to be cheaper just due to population. But you can explain how they managed to come up with going to a Spa is preventive medicine. Or how having a taxi for pick up and drop off in rural areas of France should be included in with medical cost.

 

First off their population is over 60 million which is almost twice the size of California, which isn't small. Second, we don't have a national healthcare system and have a bunch of small private hospitals, insurance companies, and drug companies so our total size is irrelevant if it is split among much smaller regional entities. Third, a high population doesn't mean everything will cost twice as much. If that was true then everything should be more expensive in the US than in Europe and that is laughably not true.

 

What nightmares have you had that you had no control over? Liberty is about having choices, not making the right ones. Learning is making mistakes, paying the consequences and never repeating them. Snowflakes are the result of making mistakes, blaming others, being rescued, and never learning.

 

Yet their system is failing.

 

It's not just about Charlie, by the way. Lack of care is endemic Single Payer. We find that the reason Single Payer systems appear cheaper is that the alternative to medical care is to just kill the inconvenient patient:

NHS to review plans to divert patients from hospital A&E departments

NHS England has launched a national review into schemes to divert patients away from A&E departments.

According to the Daily Telegraph, the investigation is in response to the death of a 44-year-old man who was turned away from a Bristol A&E department while a pilot scheme to ease pressure was in place, and instead seen by a GP service.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ments-david-birtwhistle-bristol-a7856386.html

While you can sense the distinct odor of death panels, this Single Payer bureaucracy eases pressure on their underfunded hospitals with a policy that resembles a form of benign neglect that would cost US hospitals dearly.

 

Then maybe you should do something about your expensive gun problem. But gun deaths do not affect infant mortality

 

Not cheaper for us because we have a sparse population scattered over a vast area. And to be honest public swimming pools ARE a very good public health initiative especially in the tropics where disease such as scabies are common among some populations

 

So is yours. Western healthcare is failing and has been for some time and the underlying reasons are basically the same for us all; ageing, unhealthy populations and ever increasing medical capabilities (and thus expectations). All the arguments about how healthcare systems are funded and run are really sideshows, fiddling while Rome burns.

 

Keeping the Fed in control of it.....will only making the failing happen faster.