Single Payer nightmare in hell complete with death panels

Nope, just cause the insurance cut you off, didn't mean you would die. It was still up to friends and family if your were taken of life support.

 

Nope. Not even close. Terry case was between family members. Parent vs husband. This was the doctors telling the parents they were going to kill their baby without consent.

 

Theirs will always be far less since they can't compete in population. Or with cost and their economies. So that don't mean much in comparing with the US.


French Health Care Expert: France's System Broken, Should Copy US; Media Yawn.....


"It's true we really have good access, but what if the system is not sustainable anymore?" says Teil. "It's going to break. It's going to blow. And then no more accessibility for anybody."

Tiel says the cost of France's socialized health care is growing faster than its economy. Workers pay about fifty percent of their paycheck each month into healthcare, retirement and unemployment and more companies are outsourcing jobs to avoid those costs. Quality of care also suffers in France, says Teil, because hospitals and doctors resist government requirements to report their success and failures.

By contrast, Tiel says privately-owned hospitals in the U.S. are motivated to measure and report their quality of care, which leads to better care.

Contrary to the media standard portrayal of top-rated French health care, Teil stated that the system of “free” unlimited care requires high taxes, and with unlimited care, including costly sex-change operations, in vitro fertilization and alternative medicine, France has a dying system and should look to America for a fix, especially now that the French protested rationing benefits and the government stopped bailing out over-budget public hospitals.

As far as Democrats and advocates of “free” health care are concerned, it's a good thing that the media ignored a story about the sorry state of the "best" health care system in the world......snip~

http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...e-expert-frances-system-broken-should-copy-us

 

Indeed! This is the great hypocrisy paradox of the US evangelical right. They will fight tooth and nail to outlaw abortion, but not give a damn to ensure every child in America is well fed and healthy. They will fight to "preserve" life, where there is none. Seems to me they are more intent on creating a hell on earth.

 

This is not really true. Life support is incredibly expensive. When the insurance corporation cuts you off (or refuses coverage from the start) there are few in America who can raise the funds to continue life.

The idea that you are more "free to choose" when you have no coverage is just plain ridiculous.

 

More freedom to chose than these parents.

 

Some people on here tend to think the hospital is acting on its own accord, it isn't. They are just following the government mandate with the courts providing affirmation of the law.

 

You cannot force doctors to indefinitely treat someone who will never be able to recover and be able live without being plugged into machines. This child's brain condition is so severe that he will never be able to breath on his own, he never be able to eat on his own, he will never learn to walk or crawl, and he never be able to communicate with other human beings. Basically the child would spend his entire life in a hospital bed having machines feed him and breath for him, and having doctors treating him round the clock to keep him alive.

You're basically saying that the doctors should be forced to dedicate their time and efforts on this child rather than treating other patients, even after it has been concluded that this child will never recover.

 

Oh, so you advocate that we leave health choices up to a 'consensus'. Is that like the consensus of climate charlatans who swore Manhattan would be under water by now? Will that consensus be chosen by a group of reviewers like those at East Anglia who were caught cooking the books?

In my country, I make my health choices and health choices for people for whom I have legal guardianship. You obviously are not familiar with the Liberty we were afforded. Not your fault that you think you have to wait for an all powerful government to grant you rights before you can enjoy them. That train of thought goes back to medieval days and beyond.

 

What's about the right of the child to not be tortured?

Or do parents have unlimited rights to torture their children?

 

With single payer government controlled health care, there will be a day they will tell you that such and such treatment you need is too expensive, or you are too old. Go home and die.

 

So would ANY system in the world afford to pay indefinitely for a child who has no hope of a life off of intense life support?

It is not fake news but fake thread title

 

And you know this because..............

If this WERE so - why do countries with single payer health care systems have a higher average life span than America?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-...ranked-second-best-in-developed-world/8716326

 

You are wrong because you would have a legal system which addresses what to do if you are incapable of making your own decisions and everywhere in the world brain death is accepted as an irreversible cause of death

 

That's already what happens in the US.. in fact the number one cause of bankruptcy in the US is still healthcare expenses. People die from not being able to afford healthcare expenses all the time. Lets also not neglect the fact that single payer healthcare does not eliminate the private sector. Having a public trust fund that works as an insurance provider for everyone does not prevent people from buying health insurance from private companies if they so choose.

Single payer simply creates public coverage, but it does not climate private coverage.

 

So you advocate rationing? Well, no wonder you support Single Payer. Too bad I have things to do or I'd really be able to get to the bottom of your motivation.

 

Third choice ,,, if you failed to file a medical power of attorney, didn't have an attorney in fact, and you failed to file an advance directive, you will have, by your own negligence given the power to the courts to decide. But again, in my country, we are granted liberty at birth, not through an act of the government. If we fail to use it, then we give the government control. It isn't the other way around.

 

There is always some rationing always

Still have to explain though. Why America has a higher infant mortality and lower average life span

 

Then why do you have a lower life expectancy?

 

I don't have a lower life expectancy, but then I don't feast on twinkies and I get out and exercise. I'm not a Liberal, so I don't live with my parents, sitting around consumed by vitriolic hatred and envy. They are unhealthy pukes ,,, drag the rest of us down ,,, at least the ones who aren't killing eachother in Chicago.

 

No, rationing is when all patients get a fixed amount of coverage. That's not what we're talking about, we are talking about an individual patient that has no hope of recovery, and the doctors having to come to a critical decision with said patient. If anything, your position is closer to rationing.. you want to force these doctors to treat a patient who cannot be treated any further, he can only be kept alive, but his conditions will never improve

 

You mean like insurance company death panels decide every single day?

 

That "rationing" is called triage and it occurs in literally every hospital on the planet.

 

So you believe that parents have an unlimited right to torture their children?

 

Money!!!!!!!!!!!!!