‘I now hate my ship’: Surveys reveal disastrous morale on cruiser Shiloh

All that was then, this is now! And apart from your mention of WW1 and WW2, the others which you mention weren't wars they were skirmishes: and as to WW1/2 - you're not saying the US won them are you? The US was part of a coalition of many other nations ffs! So stop with the bragging - Russia is no longer the USSR, in case you hadn't realised it, and these days they'd well and truly give you a run for your money.

 

Texas Republican;"The girl in the photo is Maria Nikolaevna Romanov, a Russian princess (daughter of the last Czar) who spoke fluent English. In 1918, she was shot in the thigh and bayoneted by Bolshevik goons. Then she was hit in the face with a rifle butt until her skull was crushed. After an hour of hell, she became the last Romanov to die, while lying on top of the bloody corpses of her parents, three sisters, and little brother. This was done under the direct orders of Vladimir Lenin. That was the birth of communism, which went on to kill 65+ million people. Communism is evil in its purest form. "

Both quotes excellent, historically accurate, and right on the mark. Those over the age of 25 who still support communism, who still believe the Mexican nonsense about Santa Anna, and still have pictures of Che--some who probably sleep with that picture under their pillow--have the blood of 100 plus million tortured and slaughter souls on their hands. And though I am an atheist, these monsters make me wish there were a hell and a God to send them there. I can forgive ignorance, I can not, nor never will, forgive or forget willful blindness to the open obvious slaughter of human souls by the communist nor the Army of the Dictator Santa Anna.

However, as a defender of truth, it must be noted, and it must be recognized that a good deal of what the Texans wanted was slavery. Mexico had abolished slavery. Which they should be applauded for and admired.

The Texans, to their great shame, will always live with this stain of support for slavery, as does America. By the time of the Revolutionary War, every man of good conscience recognized slavery as evil, and there was no excuse for any intellectual and philosophical leader to support it. Unfortunately, in my opinion, out of fear of controversy, many of these leaders betrayed their ideals and accepted slavery as a necessary evil without realizing, evil is never necessary.

That evil, slavery, is the crack in the liberty bell, and is what weakened the foundations of the America Revolution ideals of equality before the law, and liberty for each and every individual, no matter what. And it is also what provides a legitimate grievance for many of my fellow citizens today, whatever their color; And for the Mexicans and their mistrust and hatred of America. It is not the American ideals of liberty and individual rights that are hated by most, but the decisions of our government officials to not live up to those American ideals--it is obvious to any man of reason and ideals that you do not create a free nation by accepting slavery of some of its citizens.

But I digress, as this thread is not a debate or a history lesson of communism, nor the Texans fight for independence. It is about US military readiness status, and it is not good: hardware is in need of repair, replacement and upgrade, moral is low, and leadership incompetent. These issues must be addressed immediately because I agree with the dictator Kim, war is coming, and the US is unprepared.

 

JakeStarkey said: ↑
Consider the neuro-linguistic conditioning implicit in cerebus' post immediately below. It becomes obvious when compared with the facts of American Naval Power of the last two centuries.

Who won the Russo-Japanese War and destroyed several Russian fleets with no difficulty.

American naval operations in the Mexican War, the Civil War, the War with Spain, WWI, and WWII always ended with outstanding American victory?

Americans are quite willing to put Russians at the bottom of the sea if necessary.

Now you agree that America had stupendous naval success in the past. The first three cited wars were all American effort, and the last two were done on the back of American might.

Russian naval units will not survive the first 30 minutes of a war with the USN.

 

Over confidence in war can be a fatal sin

 

The Russian naval units would be well off to consider that, hold that thought close to the collective heart, ask "what the hell are we doing here," and skedaddle for home port.

US intel I am sure monitors this and other boards.

 

I think you probably back the North Korean Dictator.

While any ship can have a dictator commanding officer, how likely is it that all of our ships have such commanding officers?

It would be nice to hear from the commanding officer of the Shiloh.



Captain Robert "Bo" Johns
Commanding Officer
Commanding Officer
CAPT Johns Executive Officer
CDR O'Donnell Command Master Chief
CMDCM(SW/AW/EXW) Otis


Captain Johns graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1995 with a degree in mathematics. He also holds a master’s degree in engineering management from Old Dominion University.

Captain Johns served at sea in USS FITZGERALD (DDG 62), USS ENTERPRISE (CVN 65), USS HIGGINS (DDG 76), USS JOHN PAUL JONES (DDG 53), and USS NIMITZ (CVN 6. He commanded USS STOCKDALE (DDG 106) after serving as the ship’s executive officer. Most recently he served as reactor officer in USS RONALD REAGAN (CVN 76).

Captain Johns has served ashore at Navy Personnel Command in Millington, TN, and STRIKFORNATO in Naples, Italy.

 

I dont expect russia to take on the US Navy all by itself

 

I believe for Democrats, Hillary is still; their leader. She fell down again and cancelled her appearances. Poor gal.

 

The old bag is not going away, is she?

And they dont know how to get her off the stage

 

It's early in the morning here but by God this made me literally erupt in laughter. I love it. Hahaha.

As to the OP. One ship having leadership issues and they do sound very serious doesn't make a failed navy. Just like in a business poor morale can literally sink it. Our navy is to strong, too overwhelmingly over powered to fail in any theater. This statement is possibly the most grossly understated item I have ever posted here. It's disgusting the level of carnage just one of our ships of war can accomplish.

I have also heard that the leadership and morale issues are being addressed rather aggressively by the admiralty.

As far as Trumps warism. What warism? Obama himself has admitted to fkin up NK by ignoring the young man for eight years at the encouragement of one HRC. I have a video of him stating the internet would topple KJU. Obama left NK to the next President and that's why after their first White House meeting and Obama broke it down.. Trump came out sat down and his face was as white as a sheet. He had been left an unwinnable situation. SIR Mark me on one tidbit since you are ah a Russian advocate... If Hillary Rodham Clinton had been elected President? We would have shortly after the election full on engaged Russia in Syria. Forcing Russia to capitulate there. She hates Putin and I personally think she's crazier than a June bug. Drunk on her own power.

You can thank the American voter for that.

 

If the russians had a preferred candidate in 2016 it would be their old comrade from the glory years of communism bernie sanders

 

It is not Russian I worry about; the Eastern Democracies, Poland, Germany, Czech Republic, etc; I think along with NATO, will declaw the bear; it is the Chinese I fear who will wreck havoc on the American fleet. Clinton sold the Chinese secrets, and gave China access to many American military technologies. The have used the free trade agreements to build up their Navy fleet with nuclear submarines, aircraft carrier's, as well as state of the art destroyers, cruisers, and perhaps a few battleships, not to mention state of art aircraft and air defenses. They have build air base islands in the South Pacific threatening Japan, South Korea, Guam, Midway, Hawaii, Alaska, and a courageous little island known as Taiwan. We are spread thin because the traitors Clinton, Obama,and both the Bushes, refused to destroy Islamic terrorism by nuking Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Afghanistan and Pakistan, back into the stone age--in essence, they tried to win a war with psychotics by bandaging their hang nails.

If war starts soon, America is in trouble; if Trump builds up the Military as he said, and war does't start for another 2-3 years, there is a chance; Time will tell. Wish for the best.

 

The bathtub admirals above are fun to read.

 

American consumers are funding the new chinese navy

 

Its is not the consumers I blame; nor the Chinese workers trying to earn a living, it is the politicians, ethics professors, and the rest of the intellectuals who promote self-sacrifice over selfishness, the sacrifice of individual to good the community, the anti-ideal of cultural equality, and the promotion of ethnocentric as evil, and multi-diversity as moral. Their hatred of capitalism because it rewards the good and punishes the evil and their love of communism because it satisfies their lust for power. No it is not John Deer, or Google nor their customers that threaten our liberty, it is the idea of altruism and its command to sacrifice for the good of others and those that preach it as the moral. That is who the enemy is. It is not the Chinese earning a living; it is the professor earning his by teaching the young that they don't have to earn a living because the evil rich will be forded to pay for it. That is the enemy, altruism

Any Rand : "What is the moral code of altruism? The basic principle of altruism is that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that service to others is the only justification of his existence, and that self-sacrifice is his highest moral duty, virtue and value"--http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/altruism.html

Yaron Brook; Radical Capitalist w/ Yaron Brook: The Morality of Altruism is Destroying America--https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVreSmbamLMN

Man's True Benefactor
Profit

 

Go away and brag to someone who GAF! I can't bear braggarts! Especially American ones.

 

"It ain't bragging if its the truth"--Will Rodgers--https://celebratethewins.wordpress.com/2010/02/15/it-aint-bragging-if-its-true/

And if it's the truth, and you can't handle it, then you're more interested in punch lines, and flag pissing, than fighting for that which is worth fighting for--"the truth"--Starjett
(Those who can't handle the truth and piss on America, as well you know, end up in hell, you dog.)

BTW: My fine friend left out Tripoli, where the Marines and the Navy made a bunch Muslims eat dirt for robbing and enslaving Americans.

Americans don't lose wars, cowardly politicians do. I have no doubt America could destroy both Iran and Russia. But China will be one tough SOB. But as America is the most moral nation ever created, and its people are earthly saints compare to the rest of the tyrannical scum that inhabit this planet, I'm confident that in the end, as John Wayne would say ,"They'll rue the day.".

 

Got any evidence of that? I agree with John Wayne though, except I'd change it to 'Zero liberals are open-minded'.

 

Good call and agreed. He definitely posts a lot of anti-American rhetoric. Extrapolating the poor morale caused by one ship's Commanding Officer to calling the entire American fleet "ridiculous" seems more like a person with an agenda, not just an observer.

The fact @Eleuthera supports him is also very interesting.

 

JakeStarkey said: ↑
Consider the neuro-linguistic conditioning implicit in cerebus' post immediately below. It becomes obvious when compared with the facts of American Naval Power of the last two centuries.

Who won the Russo-Japanese War and destroyed several Russian fleets with no difficulty.

American naval operations in the Mexican War, the Civil War, the War with Spain, WWI, and WWII always ended with outstanding American victory?

Americans are quite willing to put Russians at the bottom of the sea if necessary.
Now you agree that America had stupendous naval success in the past. The first three cited wars were all American effort, and the last two were done on the back of American might.

Russian naval units will not survive the first 30 minutes of a war with the USN.

A Russian wimpus. It's the truth, not brag. The Russians are as nothing compared to American naval power.

 

History Class, Senior, 1969, any search on the internet, Thomas Jefferson Biography, The Marine Corp Hymn, The Marine Corp History, Being a Marine, 1969-1971, US History, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee, 1985, To the Shores of Tripoli--movie,1942, History of the Barbary War, also known as the Tripolitanian War, News paper articles form that time period, and on, and on, and on. You really have never heard of the Barbary wars and the slogan, "Millions for defense, not one penny for tribute"--

"Just a few years later, President Thomas Jefferson again took up the cry "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute" in regard to the Barbary States of Tripoli, Algiers, and Tunis. These Barbary “pirates” demanded tribute from the United States in order to keep them from attacking American shipping.

The capture and enslavement of the crew of the USS Philadelphia by Tripoli appalled most Americans. A newspaper known to be a strong supporter of Thomas Jefferson ran an article with the headline “Millions for Defense, but not a Cent for Tribute” thus picking up the rallying cry once again.

This Barbary hostage crisis was the equivalent in its day to the Iran hostage crisis at the end of the Carter Administration some 175 years later. The resulting military action, specifically the battle of Derne, led to the Tripoli portion of the phrase "From the Halls of Montezuma to the Shores of Tripoli" in The Marine Corps’ Hymn."--http://www.acdwyer.com/stories/millions-for-defense-not-one-cent-page-2.php




Satisfied?

 

If that's aimed at me then kindly quote me so I can respond, not make snidey third party remarks from the sidelines. Thankyou.

 

Not really; I don't know enough about those wars in the historical context to be confident of comment - I'm more into recent history: and as to that, just think about your ill-conceived and misbegotten wars in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and now Syria, and how you always support the wrong sides, then come back and brag how well you handled them. And in the case of the last three, how 'well' you're still handling them and, as per usual making everything worse. America used to be great, and there was no greater admirer than me, but now, like all great powers eventually do, it has become too stupid to exercise those powers wisely. Don't blame me for that?? I don't like to criticize Americans per se but they must bear some responsibility for it because they keep on voting incompetent establishment elitists into the White House. And lest you think I'm an anti-American Russian troll ( ) you might have noticed that I make exactly the same criticisms about my own countrymen? We've lost the plot, and there couldn't have been a worse time, with the barbarians at the gates, to lose it?

 

Well it sure sounds like bragging to me! You'd be in for a shock if you did take them on because they ain't the USSR any more, they're one of the world's great powers.

 

Good joke. It was very funny...for example....Especially if we compare the military economic potential of Vietnam and the United States.

Russians have a saying - "For bad dancer and eggs interfere". Similarly, you are looking for excuses for American defeats. The US has not won a single war on its own. Exceptions are Panama and Grenada. But this is more a disgrace than a victory. It's as if Roy Jones (by the way, now a Russian citizen) would have been a victory over a seven-year disabled.