U.N. Votes 151-6 to disavow Israeli ties to Jerusalem :0

Arabs should have accepted the deal theybwerevoffered by the UN

 

West Bank. Duh.

I accept your concession of the point.

 

They might have, if not for their hatred of Jews.

 

Maybe its the will of allah for arabs to be chronic losers

 

And so, he instills them with hatred for anything non Muslim?
Interesting.

 

That is incorrect.

 

When the BBC interviewed an Israeli after Trumps announcement, the person said well not exactly a State. There is no intention of a State. At the time of Rabin only some Israeli's supported a State and one of those who did not was Netinyahu. Anyone who took him seriously when he said that he was in favour of a two State solution was either fooling themselves or wanting to fool others. He was seriously involved in vile demonstrations before Rabin's killing. Indeed he has been accused of inciting it. So there never was anything near a thing where all Israelis wanted two States. Some wanted peace both because they had a conscience and because they wanted not to feel afraid. Keeping the Palestinians behind bars and out of site in the main has got rid of both those problems.

Your issue of saying Israelis just have problems about where they may have a State is as good as not accepting a State. You seem to believe that Palestinians are inferior people who should only get a tiny part of their historic land if the Colonialists decide. That kind of attitude I don't respect. You can say Israelis want Palestinians to have their State in Jordan, as several Israelis have said here, tough luck. That is not what it was about. That was not the deal Israel made which they worked on. Really the situation with the Palestinians is quite similar to that of the native Americans. Make a deal with them to make them quiet and keep their land. The Zionists have taken 78% of the Palestinians historic homeland. They will give no more. They need a viable contiguous state or it will be a one state solution with equal citizenship and rights for everyone, on which Jews will not be the majority possibly even at the beginning. That seems to be the choice which Israel has made.

I will say I find it lacking in sincerity that you said they ought to be working on their state when you are clearly admitting despite trying to avoid it that they are kept from having a State - if the Israelis are not honouring Oslo as they are not, they are the people in the wrong but I have known for several years now with the settlement building that there is no possibility of two States so it is no surprise to me. That is why I support BDS.

Why do you find no problem in Israeli's illegally settling on the land that is to be the Palestinian State. You are supporting the bully....and they are bully's. To keep any people under a gun for 50 years without the freedoms you and I take for granted is a kind of torture. The Israelis move their settlements in and arrange for these illegal settlements - even when illegal by their terms to have roads built to them to supply them with electricity and to divert water away from the Palestinians on to the illegal settlements. They keep them living under martial law. Children as young as 12 get arrested in the dead of night and are taken to interrogation on their own with no parent to protect them. Something like 99% are found guilty. They are tortured. The UN and various organisations have done reports on this. The UK has even had meetings on it in Parliament. People have grown up with this and are now seeing their own children being harmed in this way. You support all of this.

Regarding the psychological. One of the issues which has reduced the peace people in Israel is that the people who were there at the time the State was created, who know what happened like Uri Avnery have in the main died. As they died and the rest of the Israeli population are brought up with the lies they are taught in school, which happened from the beginning clearly they are living believing the lies they are taught. This is getting much worse under Bennet who is working to get the indoctrination started at Nursery School.

And of course as Israel has moved more fascist she has brought her population bit by bit with her. There is no longer any if's or but's about whether Israel is fascist, she is or has gone so far that there is no way back. The West is hovering. Will we go with Israel or not.

That means nothing. Bye the way I have been to Israel as well.

 

First of all, you're free not to respect me. It happens political opponents respect one each other, but that's not obvious ...

Then, I'm reading your post.

First point: without Israel the "historical land" of the Palestinians would be land of conquest for the surrounding Arab powers [who don't care a nut about Palestinians if not in a strategy to oppose the existence of Israel ... no Israel = no independent Palestine. Period].

Second point: Palestine in Jordan? I would prefer something better: in Saudi Arabia, along Red Sea.

Third point [actually it was the second point, but keep in mind I'm a politician!]: do I consider Palestinians inferior? No, I don't. I consider them superior to their leaders [Hamas and Fatah].

Firth point: the comparison Native Americans - Palestinians is as old as empty. Jews have been there in a continuous way, while European colonists appeared suddenly [the worse things always appear "suddenly"!].

Fifth point: a question ... do you want to see Palestinians defeating Israel forcing Jews to go back to Europe or US, leaving the Land of Canaan to Palestinians? Or are you really in favor of a two states solutions?

Sixth point: I have deeply criticized the illegal Jewish settlements and I have defined absurd that Jews build a wall [but you weren't present on the US social network where I was moderator of a world wide political forum, no problem].

Seventh point: ops, I've already said all! [this was typical Italian rhetoric!].

 

Those Palestinians have been living there as long as they are able to trace back, in general.
While more than half of the Jewish population immigrated this or the previous generation to Israel,
and the only connection them Jewish immigrants have to Israel,... is their religious extremist religion,
or ethnic supremacy ideals that the land belongs to them.

 

Archaeologists have found in Babylon an archive of tablets from the period of the exile making reference to a people from Judea [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Yahudu_Tablets].

That the Maccabees had a Jewish state in Canaan is a historical fact.

That the Romans met Jews there [in fact they called that land Judaea, not Palestine] is a fact ... how was it possible???? Where were the Palestinians?

Then, you know ... it seems that Romans destroyed the Jewish state. Anyway the Jewish presence wasn't erased ... when under the Ottomans the Jewish migration to the Land of Canaan begun ... they met other Jews [with Arabs].

 

What Arab nations are those ??

 

The Palestinians were the Jews and the non-Jews who were there.
And the Jews who immigrated to Israel,.. well over half of the Jews currently in Israel, are not able to trace back their lineage to those Jews you speak of. That doesn't even close. All this is, is an argument based on religious extremism / ethnic superiority ideals that the land belongs to them based on just that.

 

Yes, I posted a link to a ME timeline map. It briefly existed 3000 yrs ago.

 

In this case, that's all that matters.

 

Compromise? They had nothing so they compromised nothing.

 

Which is of course true.
And what existed 3000 yrs ago, has no relevance to today.

 

Which is more than you can ever say about Palestine.

 

The Jews had parts of palestine and so did the arabs

The compromise was a two statevsolution that the arabs rejected

 

Then return it back to Egypt. Since they are the 1st to have control.

Overview
Situated at a strategic location between Egypt, Syria and Arabia, and the birthplace of Judaism and Christianity, the region has a long and tumultuous history as a crossroads for religion, culture, commerce, and politics. The region has been controlled by numerous peoples, including Ancient Egyptians, Canaanites, Israelites, Assyrians, Babylonians, Achaemenids, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Parthians, Sasanians, Byzantines, the Arab Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid and Fatimid caliphates, Crusaders, Ayyubids, Mamluks, Mongols, Ottomans, the British, and modern Israelis and Palestinians. Modern archaeologists and historians of the region refer to their field of study as Levantine archaeology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)#Ancient_period

 

Awesome. So, for the third(?) time, which army is going to go in and eradicate the Jews to make that happen....unless you believe the Israelis will just put down their weapons and acquiesce to Egyptian control?

 

The USA can use your nukes. Since you'd like to use them so much.

 

Why would we use nukes on Israel?

Is this tacit admission that you know taking Israel away from the Israelis is a pipe dream?

 

So the Jews are not the Jews according to you, but other who have nothing to do with Jews are.
Interesting.
The Jews speak an aincient language called Hebrew tracing back to the beginning of known history. The Arabs speak Arabic.
The Jews write in aincient letters of the Jews tracing back to the beginning of known history. The Arabs dont.
The Jews have a history book, the oldest such book, called the byble. This book depict historic verifiyable stories and kings tracing back to the beginning of known history. The Arabs dont.
Yet you claim the Jews are not the Jews and the Arabs are. Very funny to say the least.

 

another genocidal maniac. just another regular day in the ME

 

The usage of the term "Palestinians" for that far past is quite "oriented" ... I can accept a reference to Canaanite populations and actually modern archaeology [also the Israeli ones] tends to see the proto-Jews as a Canaanite population as well. So it's absolutely probable that there is a common root between the Palestinian people and the Jewish one. The point is that the Jewish one differentiated it in a far past [at Elephantine we've got clear references to the Tradition already in the V century BCE, when there were no Palestinians around ...].