TRUMP’S CIA PICK IS THE GREAT FEMINIST MOMENT THE LEFT HATES

We're talking about the CIA, remember?

We still have Gitmo and we have a president who has proposed its expansion and use.

Also, we still have opportunity for rendition to those who will torture for us.

In fact, I haven't seen this president pay any respect to treaties, conventions or other agreements we have signed. Yet, here you are suggesting the CIA wouldn't use torture, because there was someone in recent history that signed a document.

Sorry. Trump gave up all rights to that argument.

 

I prefer that America stand for something good, something moral, something lasting.

YOU suggest America should tune our actions to be equally morally bereft compared to the worst actors on the planet???

No, that's too disgusting to contemplate.

 

No! However, one evil act doesn't justify another against people, who in many cases, were not guilty of anything. Sure, some of the tortured people were guilty of terrorism. Others were innocent people who were turned over to American troops in Afghanistan by Afghans who told the Americans the innocents were al-Queda fighters. The fact that the USA was attacked does not justify the torturing of those innocents.

The US government should NEVER be involved in torturing innocent civilians.

 

You are entitled to your opinion. However, it is wrong. There is nothing immoral about using all available means to gain the intelligence necessary to protect innocent people from sunhuman scum who would slit your throat in a heartbeat if given the opportunity. Hence, the flaw in your reasoning.

 

The Lord said we should love our enemies and do good to those who harm us. I don't think, its OK to torture people because they are terrorist is a christian concept.

Experts in the military and FBI disagree that torture helped US intelligence. It did ruin our reputation in the rest of the world (especially the Arab world) and demoralized soldiers which is why the US military opposes it. The problem with torture as the Germans found out in WWII and the French in the dirty wars in Algeria is that it ultimately seriously harms the institutions that use it.

 

If an innocent person was caught up in the extraordinary renditions of bona fide mass murderers, that is regrettable. That said, tradecraft being what it is, nothing is as it seems. We have no way of knowing which way is even up. The CIA is tasked with making that distinction. Do they get it wrong sometimes? Of course. Did those 3,000 people ask to die on 09/11/01? I’d say likely they didn’t.

 

Torture is a crime

And it's what third world hellholes and dictatorships do

 

No, you're wrong about that.

Torture is wrong. There is no justification.

Plus, it's been show that it isn't even effective.

Frankly, you're confusing America with those having the morality you hate. We are not the same, including in the way you are proposing that we're the same.

 

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First the Extraordinary Rendition Program was created and the sites ordered by former President Clinton 6 years before 9/11. There was no need for the "Right Wing to promote a program that already was institutionalized and in full swing. I never claimed that the CIA would or wouldn't use torture. I gave you factual history and information based upon Geneva Convention Protocols.
Treaties and agreements made normally have dates of renewal or openings for renegotiations. They are not made to go on for perpetuity.

 

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You have yet to notify the Iraqis, Iranians, Russians, North Vietnamese, Turks and especially al Qaeda, and ISIS to that fact.

 

Your basic premise is wrong.

 

You don't bring a knife to a gunfight. It would be great if we could all sit around and sing Kumbayah with the walking **** stains of the world, but the reality is it is a brutal place. We should be thankful that women like Mrs. Haspel have dedicated their lives to the service of our country. She and those like her constitute the tip of the spear - carrying out extrajudicial operations that save American lives and that most of us don't have the stomach for. These vile filthy pigs who get their gonads fried with American car batteries don't wear a uniform... they don't observe the Geneva Conventions... they don't care how many children they kill in pursuit of their mission. All they care about is carnal relations with mythic prepubescent girls under Allah's watchful eye after they die their meaningless deaths. Should they suffer on their way to paradise, so be it - it's what they signed up for.

 

I think the KGB and Gestapo would heatedly agree. I thought Americans were better, but that may have been me being silly,.

Its amazing we have sunk to the level that torture is seen as positive to many Americans. In my worse nightmare I never thought we would do that.

 

So is piloting a jetliner into a skyscraper full of people. And in what jurisdiction will you bring charges?

It's what every clandestine intelligence agency does when it is necessary.

 

Which makes it right to some I guess. Not to me. Or for that matter to conservatives such as McCain or Graham who said of torture that it said much about us as a society. Arguing that evil is ok if used against bad people is a hole with no bottom. We will become what we fight.

 

You are entitled to your opinion. And others are entitled to disagree. C'est la vie.

 

God ultimately decides. When we stand before His throne I guess we will know..

 

As I said, you are entitled to your opinion.

 

This is akin to playing the race card ... call it the "gender card"

Nasty people come in 2 colors - male and female. The torture in the facility where she was in charge was illegal. More than that however was her destruction of tapes. This is not an upstanding individual.

Head of the CIA is one of the most powerful positions in the world. That kind of power should not be in the hands of someone who has the nasty and nefarious history of this woman.

 

I'm not a supporter of conservatism, but this is why I think the left hurts the pursuit of true gender equality. They thrive on the victim mentality and being "owed" rather than letting the trully skilled women succeed at whatever it is they pursue. And when they do succeed without "handouts", the left downplays their success. And you are correct Wehrwolfen, Haspel is an example of a true alpha female.

 

Silly strawman. I don't see the relevance of her sex in there. You really think that if she was a male (but still has such bloody hands), the "left" would respect her more? That's idiotic.

 

Sexist![/sarcasm]

Oh, there she was. There are doubts that she was there during one notorious case, but she was there alright, being "chief of base" and all. You've got your info half-digested.

 

Detained US soldiers should be extra-judicially tortured (and raped, regardless of the sex) daily until the US closes Gitmo and compensate all of its inmates, past and present.

You know, like civilised people would do.

 

Wouldn't that be the ***** grabber's end goal?

 

Whatever poor, outdated or false info you might have got, was it worth becoming the bad guys who institutionalized torture? This stain will stick forever, you know.