How To Finally Resolve the Abortion Debate

Gee, NO....it is up to the pregnant woman to determine how much time she needs...YOU haven't anything to say about it

 

So you don't really care about giving the fetus the benefit of the doubt.

 

Why would you think that?

 

I can't believe you just typed that.

 

Because a fetus is 8 weeks or older and you want abortion legal up to 12 weeks.

 

FoxHastings said: ↑
Gee, NO....it is up to the pregnant woman to determine how much time she needs...YOU haven't anything to say about it

Oh, I'm sure you didn't like it... but believe it, it's true.....

 

Not if you do not have the means to do so or if there is no available facility

Would be better if mifepristone were available in all states and was affordable

 

No surprise if you've seen any of their posts. They believe in an absolute right to control over ones body. This standard makes abortion okay at any time, just like it's not okay to force somebody to donate a kidney even if it would save a life.

I personally would say abortion is completely morally neutral before 23 weeks, since no consciousness is possible before that.

 

Hi from "their"

Here's the post you find so disturbing:

FoxHastings said: ↑
Gee, NO....it is up to the pregnant woman to determine how much time she needs...YOU haven't anything to say about it ""

What's your objection to that?

That women have a right to their own body?

Is that objectionable because it's only a woman and not a real human?

People who don't agree with that (it is up to the pregnant woman to determine how much time she needs)... believe that the government owns pregnant women and can tell them when and if they can reproduce.



Some people believe only they themselves should have the right to their own bodies but women must have that right taken away to punish them ...or something...(???)


Uh, DUH, no it's not OK to force someone to give a kidney to save someone else's life...what planet are you on? Germany in the 1930's??


It's not OK to force someone to give blood or give their heart or any other body part to another.....


.I really doubt if some rich guy needed a new heart and demanded he have yours that you would willingly give it up....

 

I personally believe it's just a casual myth that no thought process takes places before 24 weeks, and think people who believe that must be very ill-informed about the gestational development of the human being.
It also probably depends very much on how you define "thought" or the nebulous concept of "consciousness" (which very probably may not come into being all at once).​

 

So, of course you can show tons of scientific data to prove what you "personally believe".

Haven't seen your proof.



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The abortion debate should be a referendum for the people to vote on. Then the law dictates the result, either for or against abortion.

 

This is my belief on abortion.

I would say the cells in sperm and an egg are alive, in the sense that they're capable of fertilizing and growing into a person. So even from a zygote, it's life, nothing to do with hearts or brains otherwise NASA are going to be screwed if they find life on Mars.

I would vote no to abortion, stop trying to play God.

Life is a responsibility, babies are a responsibility and using your brain should be as well.

 

Yes, I would like Anti-Choicers to stop playing god by trying to take away women's right to their own bodies...

Your life is YOUR responsibility, NO one else's....and you are NOT responsible for anyone else's life....

It's "playing god" to try to dictate to the rest of the world what is or isn't "responsible".


It is very responsible to not have a kid you either can't afford or don't want.


You may vote to stop abortion, you may pass laws against abortion but neither will stop abortion.


Taking away one groups right to their own bodies can lead to other groups losing the right to their own bodies.

Did you want YOUR right to your own body taken away and be forced to give an organ or blood or your eyes to someone else??

 

What makes you think that's a myth? Here is a somewhat dated but decent primer for you: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/when-does-consciousness-arise/

 

I didn't actually find the post disturbing, but I was just laughing at how anybody is still shocked since you say these things so frequently. I don't really disagree with you either, but I do think it's ethically different after consciousness is possible and it should be encouraged that abortions occur before that if possible.

 

Does anyone demand you be an organ donor?

No?

Same difference

 

America is the only country in the world where abortion is becoming more restrictive. Even "Catholic" countries like Ireland and Brazil are looking or have loosened the laws surrounding abortion. Ireland because of maternal deaths, Brazil is considering allowing abortion because if Zika virus. Across Latin America abortion requests even in countries like El Salvador have risen.

 

Then why say you found it disturbing?

And most women have their abortions between 12 and 18 weeks, well ahead of the ESTABLISHED cut off of viability (23-24 weeks).



I still do NOT see what there is to "resolve"....the abortion issue has been resolved.

Now Anti-Choicers just need to mind their own business and let everyone have the right to their own body instead of trying to turn pregnant women into the property of the government.

 

Primers are written by those who know, for those who do not. Alas, the author of this

It is well recognized that infants have no awareness of their own state[]. ​

doesn't know anything about human consciousness, and is functionally devoid of self-awareness himself.

 

What!? They HAVE spoken. I have read their crap for years in here and in the real world and they want to BAN ABORTION....did ya miss the memo!????

If abortion is banned then pregnant women lose their right to their own body and literally become property of the state.

I have NO issue with setting the cut off date at 23-24 weeks which is at the stage of fetal viability.

It's the Anti-Choicers who have the "issues".....


I guess if I ask again why you think there should be an exception for rape I again won't get an answer ….(and I will be accused of harassment)...so I won't...