Hitler Wouldn’t Risk Doomsday, But The United States Did

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Great post. Unfortunately America, quite by design, is awash in patriotic propaganda whose purpose is to keep the truth of it's hostory and the violence of it's past hidden. I always found most Americans to be interesting and even gracious people who are simply unaware of the crimes and avarice of the ruling class going back to the Spanish war and especially the Indian wars.

Living in the heart of the Empire shields you to the brutal reality of life on it's extremities, I think.

 

Which reforms did he implement?

 

And people wonder why they chant "death to America."

Think if some foreign nation had done that to America.

They can't get over the hysteria of a few Russian trolls interfering let alone an imposed dictator with secret police.

 

Over time very nearly all of them, schools for girls, reduction of the power of the petty nobles and to a lesser extent the clergy and nationalize oil production.

 

Now you have reverted to ideological blinders and in this case it doesn't fly. 1st it's more like a millennia and a half if not more than Persia was a world power The Ottomans were not Persians they were Turks who came from Turkmenistan, essentially middle men along the Silk Road until the 8th century AD. Persia became the home of the Shi'a sect of Islam sometime in the late eighth century. In certain ways it was a more conservative sect of Islam than was Sunni. And Persia under their rule became increasingly backward looking over time. The Shah tried to restore Persia which is to say Iran to it's former glories in terms of freedom and scientific outlook. In some ways he succeeded in other ways he failed. The current government of Iran in most ways is a reactionary theocracy. That being said they are not stupid. They have discovered to their horror that they cannot win against modernity with out embracing at least some of its tools. The problem is these tools simultaneously, themselves, introduce doubt into a system that abhors it. Hence, Iran could suffer a revolution at any moment of a sort they can only deal with through all out violence including the rejection of the limited amounts of Modernity it is willing to embrace.

 

If you are speaking of the White Revolution - meh, mixed results though as a western puppet subservient to those interests, Iran's economy prospered though the Shah squandered much of it on international vanity events. Tried to emancipate women, which is good I suppose. But still, the SAVAK........a ruthless dictator, no?

He did not nationalize the oil industry except in name only. Anglo-Iranian became the BP and it was run as a consortium with about 8 other international companies. About 50% of the profits went to Iran state if I remember correctly.

 

I got a better one: Poor old Hitler, so very misunderstood, he only said he wanted a glass of juice, not gas the Jews!

 

Usual deal Oil companies make with countries that lack the tech to drill their own oil.

Ruthless dictator? Let's see you've got people trying to kill for the crime of educating their daughters what do you do?

 

Yes and no. We're not nearly as good as some of us believe but neither are we the worst, and even those generally regarded as the worst victims are not completely blameless. Nations, as well, as men, are wolves to each other, it seems.

 

The usual deal the oil cos made was to take ALL the oil money, and give back just barely enough to keep the extremely upper .0001% fat and happy, while using the religion to repress the people. Then we get all surprised when the religion wants to take over the country. Madness

 

Mossa Degh was a modernist and he wanted to do everything the Shah wanted. He wanted to do it faster and he needed the money he could get by selling it at a fair price to BP and America. BP didn't want to pay that much and so got the CIA to overthrow him. You're argument above is bullshit to justify thievery and the Iranian people know this which is why they would rather have a repressive theocracy than anything to do with Britain or America.

 

You're dealing in fantasy fiction.

To begin with there was a well established non aligned group of nations at that time who declined to be in either the American or Soviet camp.

That the Shah was a US puppet isn't even contentious these days as the history is known and clear.

Note the following is from the CIA website:

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/vol48no2/article10.html

I rest my case.

 

Referencing an earlier post the below appeared on my FB stream this morning:



Besides the books of Carroll Quigley and other source material on the Rhodes-Milner Kindergarden, the following is a great resource for the actual background to WWI.

http://www.ww1hiddenhistory.co.uk

 

I am not whitewashing

You are attacking your own country unfairly

The US did advise the royalists but the coup was carried out by Iranians of their own free will

 

Trouble is nothing you said contradicts anything I said.

 

We didn't use the Religion neither did the shah, that was where most of the blow back came from. The Shah was trying to use Attaturks strategy in Iran and 50% of the oil money was far more than sufficient to keep the up levels happy and spread some around.

 

The problem with trying to exercise power and control is that both are ephemeral. It is also true that what seems expedient today may seem in 20 years time a disaster writ large. The Chinese believe that history is circular rather than linear, they may be on to something.

 

Now you are just making things up. Please read the history from the CIA website Striped Horse provided you or at least read some Wiki on the event.

There is no benefit from denial of history - except to make the same mistakes over and over which is fact what is happening.

 

The CIA has a tell-all website?

I guess I did miss that

But I usually dont read stuff posted by foreigners like Stripped Horse

So please post the officially authorized CIA history again if it exists

 

https://www.google.ca/

 

Just as I thought

You got NUTHIN’

 

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They repressed the **** out of the people and only allowed dissidence in the context of religion. Then they're all surprised when the religion overthrows the government

 

The repression was a response to not a cause of the problem which was nascent religious extremeism

 

You know how to use google and SH even provided a link up thread.

I'm not here to indulge laziness.

The CIA's history of covert operations against democratically elected regimes around the globe and propping up dictators who serve American interests is a matter of public record. Many of those records are now declassified and appear as documents on their website and library. That you are ignorant of it is a shame but not my fault.

 

Link to back up your rediculous claim?

Or you got "NUTHIN?