Won't Leave? Well then do this america haters.

Uh...huh. forget the meds today?

Ah. Do as I say, not as I do. Seems like the Trumpian (and Uber RW) way.

Because they are completely completely contradictory.

Either it's ok to see America as imperfect in the quest to improve, or America is perfect and anyone who thinks otherwise should leave.

 

What???? The core concepts that created this country had socialism engraved in it. They gave immigrants a chance to get free land out west just to grow the country. This is not new it’s history.

 

America has and does improve. Anyone that thinks we need to change her into a bastion of "Socialism", however should leave. We are not like other nations. We have the right to maintain and own property. The government does not "allow" us to keep a pittance.

 

I have no meds to forget. So gfy.

 

So you are saying the government allowed anyone that would settle the land and work it makes it free? No .......socialism steals from some and gives to others. The land was acquired by citizens and the deeds were distributed to those that would work. Not Socialism. Socialism steals from some and gives to those that are less productive.

 

Wait, stealing is taking from someone what they already own. Nothing you listed is stealing from someone. Paying someone an agreed upon wage for labor provided is not stealing anything from anyone.

 

You need to learn political science so you don’t look so short.

 

Of course it’s not to a person such as yourself

 

Your political science has a revisionist leftist bend to it. I will reiterate what you tell others gfy.

 

Is that best you can come up with? You can’t tell me the difference in sociology or what it is specifically, or how it already exist in the US. So go choke somewhere else derp...

 

It's not to anyone.

 

I guess I'll just leave this quote as I think it's pertinent to Democrats right now:


Finally we got this car up on level ground. And, yes, it's a little beat up. It needs to go to the body shop. It's got some dents; it needs a tune-up. But it's pointing in the right direction. And now we've got the Republicans tapping us on the shoulder, saying, we want the keys back.

You can't have the keys back. You don't know how to drive. You can ride with us if you want, but you got to sit in the backseat. We're going to put middle-class America in the front seat. We're looking out for them.

-Obama

Democrats can come along but their not getting the keys

 

The Founding Fathers created a Constitution that was imperfect. We, the people, have added twenty-eight Amendments to correct its shortcomings. So, what exactly are the "core concepts that created this country?" From all those corrections (Amendments) it would appear that the United States is in a state of evolution. Which, of course, it is. America has been the process of "form(ing) a more perfect Union" for some time.

Before Amendment XIX women were not permitted to vote in America. So prior to 1919 it was a "core concept" of America to deny women the right to vote. I could go on but to what end? America has always been beset with new voices and challenges. This "send them back" mood is merely a reflection of some people's mistaken idea of what America represents. America's desire to "form a more perfect Union" is a never ending journey.

 

Lol the the post suggested that the founding had no drops of socialism. To say I’m wrong when for example an Irish immigrant new to this country had an opportunity to get land FREE from the government for the benefit and growth the whole country isn’t socialism that is crazy. They took from Indians to give to new Americans who had no claim to anything that is socialism. But let’s continue to go further I await your response.

 

Difference being certain things vs an entire system.... Marx says socialism the system is a transition to communism and communism doesn't work.

With all the flaws being pointed out about capitalism my question is being the at all these systems are humans and human greed is the problem how do you think another system will be better? Unless you replace the structure(people) with robots it will all be the same and likely worse given the government having total power. As we know power corrupts

 

The united states constitution was drafted and constructed for the purpose of defining the federal government, dictating what powers and authorities it did have, and more importantly what powers and authorities it did not have and thus could not interfere with.

 

Even robots are apparently no better than humans, according to some.

https://www.dazeddigital.com/scienc...ce-is-too-white-and-too-male-says-a-new-study

Apparently artificial intelligence, which was supposed to make things easier for human workers, is just as prone to racist and biased decisions as the humans themselves.

 

There is no perfect system in a diverse nation. Constant change is very much necessary. In life you absorb it all and take good things out of every philosophy. Socialism on its face won’t work in america. But parts of socialism is needed because unchecked capitalism leads to communism. You can even find benefit it a dictatorship but no one wants it. Example being an executive order. A melting pot is not just peoples but their ideas as well

 

Ya I'm not denying that certain things we do as a nation are socialist but that is different than the entire government being socialist. It seems like an apples to anvils comparison imo.

 

Marx was very correct for his time period but things change. The capitalist government in corporations want what exactly? To control everything and profit from it and buy or steal new revenue streams. That is all unchecked capitalism it will lead to communism way before socialism because it is the have and the have nots but goverments order and discretion.

 

Yes to myopic people it will enrage them. That's what history and the world and life in general is is the haves versus the have nots and there is no system out there that truly fixes it.

I don't see how all that centralized power wouldn't corrupt the government and give the citizens no avenue at all to right wrongs done by said government

I could be wrong but in general I see all these systems as ways to placate the masses and distract them from noticing were on a hamster wheel lol. Capital is just the best of those choices imo.

 

The fact that you don’t want a complete socialist government is right to me and appropriate. But with people the masses the riot, the descent it won’t happen. That is the beauty of America. One system can’t control it all because we will fight. That’s our heritage. We can disagree how she get there but I hope we can agree American citizens to who work for a living should not be destroyed by greed or even mere sympathy. American should be strong every last one of us who build up this country. Capitalism is the money socialism is the morality I think we can and should merge.

 

My own personal belief that what we as citizens owe others are children raised correctly so that they can contribute to making us better. Being an upright parent helps not only us but our children and the future of society. The rest I view as ones personal choices as my morality isn't the same as another therefore I don't believe I should dicate to them my morality.

 

Capitalism no matter how unchecked it is is still the best path to the most liberty and freedom and economic prosperity for the individual. Marx was very incorrect in his view of human nature. That we do best when we can all act in our own best self interest with as little government involvement as is necessary.

 

"If you don't love America and everything about America, get the hell out!!!"

such a statement is pure Fascism.