Won't Leave? Well then do this america haters.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Jonsa, Jul 21, 2019.

  1. JakeStarkey

    JakeStarkey Well-Known Member

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    Globalism is to be used, not used by.

    Socialism is part of our American social democracy economically and is not, anymore than globalism, going away.
     
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    It's not going to be changed to Socialism. No matter how much anyone bleats about it from either side. Your relatively successful Medicare Program shows that socialistic ideas of common support making things more affordable can work within your constitutional republic.

    Ok, then what on earth were you talking about?

    Except that is a non-sequitur compared to what I was asking. Is it ok to criticize the US and thus acknowledge that it's imperfections, or should any who wish to criticize it leave it? Because Trumps comments are diametrically opposed to each other yet many are taking both as sacrosanct.
     
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    America has always improved and moved forward. We evolved into a social democracy beginning in the first decade of the 20th century. Any who opposes that should be removed to Somalia. We have a right to evolve and develop as we wish. The middle class will lead this evolution not the plutocrats.
     
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    it is the compassion of capitalists and private enterprise that allow socialist programs to be fruitful in America.

    the taxpayer does not find it to be affordable, only charity.

    it is not ok to criticise the US because that would mean criticising freedom

    those who do not like freedom should leave to places where the taxpayer does not have the dignity of choosing to give to charity.
     
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  5. Mr_Truth

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    Brought to you by Republicans:


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    Yes, where the US falls short of its goals and precepts, the country should be criticized.
     
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    And what often is called "socialism" is nothing more than reforms initially suggested by our Founding Fathers such as social security, infrastructural building, etc.
     
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    :roflol:

    Revisionist History brought to you by Democrats.

    Obviously, the ignoramus who came up with that is blissfully unaware that Reagan met with the Afghan Mujahideen who fought the Soviets. The Taliban came along during the Afghan civil war when BILL CLINTON was in office.
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    Oh you historical show otherwise and yes that is a cherry picked quote.

    " Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how...."

    What's the racist part?
     
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    The Taliban was Afghanistan's government and never committed any terrorism against the USA unlike al-Qaeda.
     
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    Nope, as I said you understanding of America and American history is lacking yet you take it upon yourself to tell us how we should run our country. Perhaps you should worry more about the upheaval going on in yours and your part of the world.

    The Pilgrims were living quite safe from any religious persecutions in Holland. After years they decided to seek better economic opportunity in the new America and to keep their culture intact and also like Christians at the time to spread the Gospel. The Mayflower Trading Company had their ship ready to sail and create a colony in the new America, it was strictly an economic venture. The Pilgrims bought passage on that ship, they only made up about 40% of the passengers. So off to American they sailed and nearly died the first year trying to practice socialism in the new colony. That was ditched for a free market economy the next year and the Plymouth colony flourished ever after.
     
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    They have to own the share before it can be stolen, stealing is taking from someone what they already own. Nothing you listed is stealing from someone. Paying someone an agreed upon wage for labor provided is not stealing anything from anyone.
     
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    The Taliban just provided al Qaeda a safe haven in Afghanistan where bin Laden could train his jihadists to wage terrorist attacks against the USA. That makes the Taliban an accomplice.
     
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    I largly agree with akl of that
     
  15. JakeStarkey

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    Racist to the bone.
     
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    Actually it's the compassion of the Govt who uses the tax revenue it gets from the Market to take care of those who can't take care of themselves. Charity, Welfare, Social Program... A rose by any other name.....

    So Trump should leave to places? I mean, If he has to 'make america great again', it means he is criticizing it's current state and thus falls under your idea of 'criticizing freedom'.
     
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    Migrants flee to this country because there are checks and balances here that help to insure our liberty. Utopia does not exist when mankind is imperfect. You give government to much power over our lives and our fortunes.....you will certainly find that out.
     
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    Yes indeed. All of the above can aid in change. What is never going to is bitching about it to people who disagree.
     
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    in America, the taxpayer pays for the government, not the other way around like in commie friendly countries

    President Trump saves freedom from freedom takers
     
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    personally, it wont be soon enough for america to become venezaula... i relish in the knowledge that y'alls progs/libs will be crawling & beggin for the 'likes of me' to protect & rescue y'all...
     
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    I never said otherwise. Are you even reading what I write before responding?


    Lollerskates.

     
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    C'mon Jonsy I wasn't being rude, I was just pointing out the painfully obvious.
     
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    commies/socialists believe that a government is capable of compassion, while capitalists believe that an individual or taxpayer is compassionate.

    history has shown it is quite impossible to connect those two dots, so it is impossible for a capitalist to respond

    America is responsible for the western civilised world, it is high time that world pays its dues.
     
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    The Founders' knew it was imperfect and created a way to fix it. Sadly today's liberals do not follow that lead and attempt to subvert the Constitution. The core of the Constitution stands in the powers invested in the branches of government, that is has changed very little, and is very clear. The vast majority of amendments pertain almost exclusively to individual matters, not the core governance or structure of the nation...
     
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    That's not socialism, those people had to abide by the Constitution and our laws and the laws of the territories they were in. You are doing something too many socialists do, attempting to assign something as 'socialism' when it clearly is not. Socialists would have stolen that land from some rich people and taxed the hell out of those poor settlers. America not being a socialist hell hole, gave them that land and the opportunity to better themselves...
     

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