So after 100 thousand Americans have died, we know whose fault all of this is.

I didnt ask for modeling studies.
I asked for you to show what affect our measures had.

You stated our measures caused something.
Quantify that.
Show the control curve and the study curve.

 

Well sir if that's true, how is it no other President has been able to do the things Trump has done?

Just before this virus, we had more people working than at anytime in our history. Blacks and Hispanics had the lowest unemployment in their history. Stock market was the highest in it's history. He ended the longest war in our history. Brought back manufacturing when Obama and economist said they were gone and not coming back. The economy rose higher in his first year than Obama had in all of his eight years in office. Fixed the VA when Obama and Bush couldn't. But according to the clueless Left, he did nothing. Maybe you could answer that for me. Or could it be you just hate Trump and in your eyes, he can never do anything right?

 

I think that your last sentence pretty much sums it up.

 

It's done with everyone except Democrats killing old people by forcing them in with Covid infected.

 

I think you should look again.

FL has more people than NY or any of the other states shoving covid infected, old, sick people in with other old, sick people.

 

Ok.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vo...id-19-social-distancing-lockdown-end-research

 

I'm not sure where you're getting your numbers from seeing that FL has 50,000 cases while NY has 350,000.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html

 

Maybe it's accurate, but likely it's not. I do not accept the 100,000 as being accurate. Plandemic is still the best description.

 

Nature should have prepared the country for this virus?

I think nature did what it could. It gave us social separation from Asia and Europe allowing our President to observe and react properly to what was coming our way. But Trump didn't We shouldn't demand any more help from nature than that. We should demand it from Trump.

 

Damn Democrats forcing old people into crowded churches!!!

 

Me neither. The governor of Florida, for example, has already been caught twice manipulating the numbers down and has had to do one-day adjustments. At least until he fired the person who was likely blowing the whistle on him. But I'm guessing it's closer to 150 thousand at this point. When all are counted, it wouldn't surprise me if it turned out to be close to double that.

When Congress appoints the Special Committee to investigate this, they will have to figure out some very shady mishandling by Republican Governors before we know all the facts.

 

Only if they're burning that one down too.

 

The partisan arguments impress me in all the wrong ways.

I prefer to keep the Covid discussion apolitical, though I understand that is very hard to do.

 

I wish we could. But it is very difficult when the person in charge of dealing with it politicizes it every time he opens his mouth.

The best way to not politicize it would be to point out what you disagree with, instead of just dismissing real arguments as "partisan arguments". Read my sig. I'll be happy to show my research on which any statement I make is based. Can't help you, though, if the best you can come up with is "Oh... that's partisan" Maybe it is, but if you are looking for a serious discussion, the question you should be answering (if not to me, at least to yourself) is "is it wrong?"

 

Is what wrong?

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...all-of-this-is.572813/page-10#post-1071717324

 

I don't like DeSantis, but all the numbers from everybody are so wildly inaccurate, that whatever rigging he might have done in your mind does not quite carry a moral judgment of wrongness. Certainly playing with smoke & mirrors is what politicians have done for many generations.

When all the politicians are playing fast and loose with the data and the policy, when it's been garbage in = garbage out since this thing began, I don't see DeSantis' behavior as being particularly offensive.

 

Who said anything about moral wrongness? I'm talking about incompetence.

Read my (new) sig!

He wants to please Trump. And believes that manipulating the numbers is what gets him on the right side of the dictator. He's too incompetent to know that it also makes people complacent. Which means more people die, and extends the time it will take to control the pandemic and reopen the economy.

I don't know what you're talking about. But whatever it is does not excuse incompetence during a national emergency that has cost the life of at least 100 thousand Americans.

I don't know that "all the politicians" are playing with the data. I know that DeSantis has. I know that Trump has. And I know other people in other states have. Maybe it's a coincidence that, at this point, the ones we know about are all the most pro-Trump Republicans. Or maybe that factoid is significant.

 

I do understand your points, and likely there is something to them.

But incompetence AND moral wrongness have been hallmarks of governments ever created by man.

Many dead, but the silver lining is that those masses who have had the infection and survived to hold acquired immunity. In a perverse way, Darwin's theory is demonstrated by the numbers. The weak do not survive, but the strong do survive.

 

I do not accept that premise. But, even if it were true, what do you mean by it? Are you saying that we should just throw our arms up in the air and let politicians do whatever the hell they want?

If not that, then please explain what your point is in bringing that up.

Not very well. Even though older people are more likely to die, it is estimated that over half the people that recovered after hospitalization will likely have ongoing issues. Many of them for life. Studies show that of younger patients who recovered, barely half have been able to return to work. Children, even asymptomatic ones, have an increased likelihood of cognitive disabilities, immunity system diseases, etc. Patients who have died from a clot or heart problems....sometimes weeks after being released from the hospital are not uncommon in countries that were first in suffering the pandemic.

This is not something people should be playing around with.

 

You keep on speculating and guessing, about how terrible it is in Florida, and we Floridians will continue LOL as free citizens, thanks to a reasonable Governor who is not a maniac like the Meatball NY Governor

 

Sure... I wonder how all the people who die because of his idiotic decisions will use their "freedom"

 

So, the Center for DISEASE control has zero responsibility? OK then, lets blame Trump
The world HEALTH organization has no responsibility in this? OK then, lets blame Trump
I like this! Its so much easier than having to do research when we can just blame Trump.
Which is why, after reading this enlightening thread, I BLAME TRUMP!!!!

 

Yup. Don't forget I cant go to the store by my sickly self while the healthy sit in the house, Trumps fault I'm sickly

 

While you are worrying yourself into a paranoia, wondering and speculating about all those not complying with the Marxist left directives, we Floridians will be LOL and enjoying our beaches, ocean, and open businesses