Would you trade more in prison in exchange for fewer murders/crimes?

While over half the states use private prisons, how can a state or federal prison be better than a for profit prison? Only 8 percent are in corporate jails.

MARCH 03, 2021
Thirty-one states and the federal government incarcerated 116,000 people in private prisons in 2019, representing 8% of the total state and federal prison population.

 

Arguably it can be argued that the reason why Democrats love making law so much is they love to control humans. Yet their laws have proven to be failures in far too many cases.

Nancy Reagan used the simply say no to drugs campaign and democrats were very critical of not the drug dealers and users, but critical of her. Imagine being hammered for merely saying no.

 

Classic Dem ploy. Attack the messenger. Attack the 2nd amendment not the punks and thugs in the Dem controlled city’s who murder hundreds every week. Attack police and capitalist symbolism all the while letting blm and the fascists from antifa burn, pillage, riot in Dem controlled city’s.

 

Democrats deny Antifa even exists.

 

Indeed, anyone can commit a crime but the incidence increases sharply as we reach the near poverty/poverty level, that seems to have changed their "state of mind" and bank account had something to do with it.
Countries may have our crime rate (Ireland) but little homicide because of strict gun laws.

Nearly half incarcerated in federal prisons are in for drug crimes. Portugal decriminalized drug use, while drug dealers still go to prison, drug users are offered treatment and recovery programs, not jail time.

 

Your OP is deficient in details. If we were to imprison everyone with brown hair, for example, there would be a reduction in the crime a murder rates, as well. But it would also mean locking up a lot of innocent, law-abiding citizens. Obviously that is not an acceptable solution. So how are you proposing we achieve these higher imprisonment levels?

BTW, the U.S. has the highest number of imprisoned individuals in the world, already. Not just per capita, but in raw numbers; we have more in our prisons than does China, with 4 times our population.

Emphasis on imprisonment is the wrong way to address the issues of crime & safety. Of course, there will always be some people that society will need to remove from the general public; the most successful society is the one that can limit crime while requiring the fewest prison inmates.

 

It's all deliberate, which is why their BS makes me so angry.

You don't need rope to make a noose, and they've made one.

 

Okay, so, who “belongs in prison?”

 

My comment re private prisons wasn't a vote for or against them. Rather I was noting that the high cost of incarceration is what attracts private operators to sector in the first place. The point is that regardless of who runs them the overall cost structure doesn't change much. The key takeaway? Prisons and prisoners are expensive. So if you want more prisoners fine, but your tax dollar is going to have to pay for them. Which, to my mind at least suggests that a serious cost/benefit analysis is in order before jumping down that rabbit hole.

 

You could maximize jail time to about 1 day.

 

I was hoping to read comments by people living in the USA.

 

Deliberately deficient since I am asking those replying what they propose to do.

 

Think internationally because different countries have different solutions - dome work some don’t and he who does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it

 

America was not formed as a penal colony for England either.

 

This is just asking for the private prison racket to come back. They went bust years ago, why would we want them back?

 

Sorry don't I understand the point your making.

 

I think you better relearn your own history

 

Sorry but yes, you do need to learn some history. For starters the only reason penal colonies were founded in Australia at all is that the US stopped taking British convicts after the Revolution. Check posts 1784-1788 in the 'All thing Australian' At one point I think something like 50% of the US colonial work force were indentured labor sent over from the UK. And that doesn't count the more than 50,000 convicts sent to the home of the brave and the land of the free on top of that figure.

Your loss, our gain I guess. (Notwithstanding the fact Aborigines have a slightly different take on the subject.)

 

Does poverty cause crime or are poor people just inferior people? You know lazier, less intelligent and less responsible? More prone to steal and harm others?

This is not a black issue either it applies to all people. Poor whites as well.

Why did you cite federal prisons? Because you know damn well that murderers, rapists and most violent criminals are in state prisons? That most black men in state prisons are there for harming or stealing from other black people?

 

Given the incredibly low clearance and conviction rate for violent crime in the black inner city we can easily assume there are not enough people in prison. According to this USA today story the national clearance rate for murder cases is 59%. So 41% of murderers are not even arrested!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/08/10/u-s-homicide-clearance-rate-crisis/951681002/

In the black inner city the rate is under 20%. In greater Chicago only 26% of murder cases are even solved and an arrest made. Black lives matter?

Think about this. A black man is shot and killed in the inner city of Chicago there is less than a 20% chance the killer will even be arrested!!

https://www.npr.org/local/309/2019/...-solve-rate-even-worse-when-victims-are-black

 

I wonder if you would think the same if you were a parent?
And if you are a parent....I can't help wonder if any of your kids survived your parenting.

 

Trump...McConnell....final answer.
Did I win?

 

It is a statistical fact that if a population fairly and consistently applies stern, no-nonsense punishment for crimes, the crime rate decreases.

But, when "time served" is greatly less than what a criminal was sentenced to -- customarily HALF by many accounts -- then prison is more a joke than a punishment....

Recidivism is high in the United States because we don't make criminals stay in prison for the actual length of time they are supposed to be there!

 

Chicago seems to be the right-wing poster child for urban violence. My city has a higher per capita homicide rate than Chicago, but no matter.
A study on tracing Chicago's guns used in crime showed that 95% were not the original owner and the guns were purchased outside city limits because there are no dealers in city limits, but no problem. They are bought in the suburbs 40% or Indiana 21% through unenforced straw purchases and half the guns are used in crime in less than one year. Most all in three years. So, we could blame the ATF for not overseeing gun dealers but "absent a warrant, Congress has limited ATF’s ability to conduct gun dealer inspections to a single annual compliance audit". The ATF only inspects "5 percent of the more than 50,000 FFLs in the U.S. each year" siting lack of resources. So, what we got is easy access to guns and you have a gangster subculture, among the larger population of urban poor, who murder each other. Who do not cooperate with the police and are prepared for revenge. Then you have possible witnesses, who are not given police protection, who may be risking their life to speak up. Indeed a mess and what does the right have to offer besides complaints.
The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, behind us are a lot of third world countries, more prisons ain't working. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure out what the variable is for the severity of violent US crime.

 

You think responsible parenting is bad for kids? Wow.

I have to assume you're NOT a parent.