Would you trade more in prison in exchange for fewer murders/crimes?

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Would we be better off with more convicts?

Poll closed Apr 8, 2022.
  1. Clearly we would.

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  2. Clearly we would not.

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  3. Clearly this is how to solve increased crime. Let me explain.

    15.0%
  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    She did what the Government did to the rich, she stole their money to use for her pet projects.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    Opioids relieve pain too and often do so much better than aspirin

    Locking parents up for not taking proper care of their children makes no sense whatsoever. If people don't take proper care of their children the State can and should take the children away but that's really all they can do if you want to make sense. Perhaps we should license the having of children somehow. A violent criminal can sue the State to have himself allowed conjugal visits so he can father children who will be automatically entitled to welfare to raise them, yet we have no compunction about denying someone the companionship of a dog or cat if they cannot afford the license and even veterinary care in some areas.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Non-violent offenders should be primarily addressed with fines instead of prison. Repeat refusal to pay fines would eventually have to go to prison as well, or no one will pay, but most people can be subjected to garnished wages to 'pay their debt to society.' Violent offenses should be a lot more severe with an emphasis on confining violent offenders until they can be rehabilitated instead of just subjecting them to preset terms of confinement, as offensive violence is a symptom of mental illness or at the very least behavioral disorder, and simple confinement is obviously not an effective treatment. And as many others have said, end the war on drugs. Make selling to minors a fineable offense, and otherwise let consenting adults do to themselves as they will.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No doubt in my opinion that Democrats want to force the public to get a license for each of their children.
     
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    Any community that is going to survive, has to have a set of laws that protect it. With these laws there needs to be a specific set of penalties, or the laws mean nothing. These penalties should be defined in a escalating manner: Days/months in jail, Years in Prison, Live in prison, Death Penalty. Further, our families and schools should stress that people should weigh their desire to break the law against the penalties. If you decide to break the law, then you must be willing to pay the penalty if you get caught. It is this last factor that creates no much strife in our communities. Too many people think that laws can be broken, and then more chances given before actually holding the guilty accountable. That merely leads to more laws being broken. I have heard many people in my community talk about laws that are not real laws. If they are not real laws, they are not laws at all.
     
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    Nope, I said nearly half (46%) are incarcerated in federal prisons for drug crimes, which is true. I posted the infographic for everyone's clarity.

    Speaking of clarity "crime is a state of mind" is a little vague. As I said economics effects that "state of mind". If you have plenty of money you don't have to break any laws to pay the rent or support your habit, you probably grew up in a stable, non-abusive household and lived in a neighborhood with good schools and not around thugs with flashy lifestyles and on and on. Jay-Z financed his first album by selling drugs and now that he is a billionaire he's a "model citizen".
     
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    In all prisons, drugs is not the number one crime being used to send convicts to jail.
    The prime reason for being in prison is violent crimes.

    As your own pie chart illustrated.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It kind of shocks me to read you claiming you stay out of prison because others are deterred.
     
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    I am aware of what is on the pie chart....the point is to keep people out of prison....and your solution is.....
     
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    What keeps me from diving 90 on the highway....the deterrence of a speeding ticket or worse

    True story here for you, my first job out of the Corps was at WalMart as Co-manger, one step below the store manager. The first time I went into the cash room I was blown away. There was literally more than 100 grand in cash in there, and I was in that room all alone. Having spent 20 years in the Marines I was not used to being around cash like that so it was a shock. I thought about how easy it would have been to walk out with a grand and nobody would have ever noticed. The week before I got there one of the cash room associates got arrested for stealing from the room, but she only got caught because she got greedy and started taking more and more. Our other cash room associate told me "I have been tempted when things were tight, but I am scared of going to jail'.

    People are only human and they make bad choices sometimes, the our laws are there to encourage them to make the right choices. I realize you are probably above such mundane feelings, but not everyone is perfect.
     
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    I drove my car going 142 mph when living in CA on one trip. Jail was certain had I been caught. So laws do not prevent crime all the time.
    Best thing you did at Walmart was not rob the store.
     
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    Well as I think I already said to give the German system a try to see if it works here as it does in Germany.
     
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    I don't read all your posts...but sounds good to me, you do realize "50 percent of inmates are released within one year, two-thirds in two years and the majority of the remainder in four to five years. Germany does have a few life sentences and some of the inmates have up to 15-year sentences."
     
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    I believe it has to be mathematically analyzed. We need some quantifiable data before we can make our decision.


    And like I've mentioned in a past discussion, for some prisoners it may make more sense to send them off to an island or somewhere (in exile) to keep them away from the rest of society without having to excessively punish them.
     
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    Poverty has NOTHING to do with crime. The poorest peoples on earth (much poorer than the poorest Americans) aren't disposed to crime, so any claim that poverty is the cause is deliberate and total bullsh!t.

    People commit crimes because they've learned or been habituated to that kind of behaviour. Either the people of influence in their lives have damaged them profoundly (to the point of sociopathy), or they have simply inherited a 'family business'. It's a MORAL failure, not an economic failure. People born to above poverty still commit crimes, and the vast majority of the very poor don't commit crimes.
     
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    Of course laws do not prevent crime all the time, if that was the case then there would be no crime. Clearly you felt going 142 was worth going to jail over. Most people do not agree with you so they do not go 142.

    I would not call that the best thing I did there, I felt I was pretty damn good at my job and those that worked under me agreed.
     
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    Government parenting control....There’s an idea.
     
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    How about just making sure the cursed Welfare State isn't rewarding poor choices. That's a pretty good start, and doesn't compromise the genuine in any way. In fact it will leave more resources for the genuine - and surely anyone claim to be For the People will be down with that. I mean what's the alternative? Wanting to cheat the genuine to fete the exploiters?
     
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    Up with “the genuine”....Down with????
     
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    I have to wonder, which do you view as the more egregious crime, going 142 on a highway or stealing from WalMart?

    Which one deserves more jail time?
     
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    Stealing from Walmart is the crime. Nobody, not even other traffic saw how fast I went. The highway was vacant.
     
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    Going that fast you have no way of knowing what is in front of you more than a split second. You could have easily killed someone had you come across a biker or a stalled vehicle.

    Your crime had a far greater potential for harm.
     
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    Not one question was asked by you on the conditions of that highway that day.

    You simply judged me as though you had the facts. Natural for Democrats to do. Putting speed as a higher crime than theft from stores is a huge difference in my world.

    YES I did know what was in front of me. IT was a major freeway with no roads in that area entering the road nor exiting it. No vehicles were on the road other than myself.
     

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