Would you trade more in prison in exchange for fewer murders/crimes?

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Would we be better off with more convicts?

Poll closed Apr 8, 2022.
  1. Clearly we would.

    35.0%
  2. Clearly we would not.

    50.0%
  3. Clearly this is how to solve increased crime. Let me explain.

    15.0%
  1. Starcastle

    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    Regardless of the reasons the incredible low clearance rates for violent crimes in our cities indicates there are lots of bad people who belong in prison and are not. So do not incarcerate murderers? Or just the ones who murder black folks?

    Amazing how you are so concerned for the perpetrators of crime and care nothing for the victims. You push this idiot lie that a large number of black men in our prisons were railroaded there for non violent offenses when they are there for violent crimes against other blacks.

    FYI I'm not right wing you are.
     
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    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    Candice Dickerson was 36, a mother of 3 boys in Chicago. When one of them had good grades at school she promised him a cell phone. While purchasing that phone at a Metro store she was hit in the head by stray bullets from a shoot out that ended her life.


    https://abc7chicago.com/candice-dickerson-chicago-news-il-shooting-fatal/5273882/


    This crime was documented by Vic Maggio in one of his bloody Chicago videos.

    Libos would not blame the 2 idiots with no regard for human life who sprayed a busy street corner with bullets. Oh no it is the 2nd amendment's fault! Trump's fault! Whitey's fault!
     
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    Starcastle Well-Known Member

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    Edna's hero Hunter Biden belongs in prison. He lied on his application for a hand gun that is a felony. White priviledge?

    https://nypost.com/2021/03/29/hunter-biden-should-be-charged-for-lying-on-gun-application/

    Joe Biden is the captain of the 1994 crime bill that libocrats claim was so racist. Then they voted for him anyway. Trump pushed for and signed criminal justice reform and pardoned black criminals who would have been in prison for life because of that bill.

    So why did you vote for Biden? Confused?

     
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    Where would Alice Johnson be right now if Hillary Clinton won the 2016 election? Prison.

     
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    You see, that is why I don't like responding to your posts. I end up having to clean up your falsehoods, false assumptions and distortions.

    Suggesting I am against incarcerating violent criminals is an example of your nonsense as well as saying I care nothing for the victims. Attacks without evidence. Where did you get, I think blacks were "railroaded" into prison? Denying you are right-wing and saying I am??

    As an added bonus you say "Trump pushed for and signed criminal justice reform". You are talking about the First Step Act . It was a bipartisan act that was modified to include meaningful sentence reform or the Democrats would not go along with it. In the end no Democrats voted against it but several Republicans did. Trump had to be convinced to sign it with the help of Kim and Kanye. It proved to be popular so Trump took credit and announced next would be a Second Step Act....nothing came of that.

    Here is an even handed view of Biden v Trump criminal justice reform.
     
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    Putting the right people in prison would help.

    Make room for them by letting out all the non-violent drug users that are not threat to society.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What about the non violent embezzlers such as the woman that owned fancy restaurants now sentenced to 15 years when the prosecution recommended 11 years?

    She had won awards for her philanthropy, for being a mastermind business woman, yet she sits in prison with others who were violent.

    https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/lo...Judge Larry Alan,Street in downtown San Diego.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Post #57 illustrates that there are not nearly as many in prison due to drugs as is commonly believed.
     
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    An embezzler hurts someone else by stealing their money. Some guy getting stoned in his living room does not.

    250,000 plus locked up for drugs.

    At roughly 40,000 grand a year that is 10 billon dollars a year spent on people in jail for drugs.
     
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    An embezzler steals money people worked hard for. Stoners did not.
     
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    Your own post #57 refutes what you claim above!!!!

    My thinking is Crime is actually a state of mind. Being poor does not factor in the excuses given by the criminals as to why they commit crimes. Democrats have this theory that says being poor is a reason to commit crime. A state of mind by far too many of the poor that they will remain honest refutes the idea of poverty as the cause.
     
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    Why don't we just put everybody in prison? Then we wouldn't have any crime but from the prisoners and that would be easily dealt with.

    A victimless crime is a contradiction in terms
     
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    Convicts would be eating Chateaubriand were that accurate. Much of that spending is not on convicts but quarters and personnel.
     
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    Which is all part of the cost, why do you pretend it is not.

    I say we spend that 10 billion dollars a year on criminals that actually harm someone other than themselves.
     
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    Closer to a million locked up for violent crimes.

    Do children miss meals due to drug use by adults? Do children miss going to school for the same?

    Drugs like aspirin relieve pain. Opioids imprison those using them even when not in jail.
     
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    When you want Government to do anything at all, costs rocket up. This is why I do not understand a rational person voting for Democrats. Even the crime bill you do not like is the work of Democrats as has been proven to you on this thread.

    What was the fuss made by Democrats over the Trump pardons and commutations? He saved us all money by releasing them for non violent crimes.
     
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    You will have to persuade Democrats or it will never happen.
     
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    Drug dealing is what gets you locked up in prison, not those simply using them.
    Why did you ignore her 15 year sentence? How can that make the victims whole?
     
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    Yes!!!
     
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    Lazy parents cause kids to miss meals or school, should they be locked up as well?

    Drunk parents cause kids to miss meals or school, should they be locked up as well?

    Is there anyone you do not wish to lock up?

    That is fine, as I am not paying for them
     
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    Yet you are the one wanting more people locked up. you are not very consistent.

    I do not understand why any rational person votes for the duopoly
     
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    Prison is not about making anyone whole, it is a punishment meant to deter others from doing the same thing.
     
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    Dealing or using are the same. Drugs and their use are between us and God, no concern of the State.

    She should have a sentence of restoring her victims and giving back twice what she stole to the disadvantaged. Maybe more if she was egregious or caused undue suffering.
     
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    Responsible parenting alone doesn't solve the behavior problem.
    That's why your solution of punishing the parents for the child's transgressions will not work.
    I am a parent...and when my boys got in trouble with the law...they went to jail.
    It only took one time for each of them to straighten up and act right.
    Some kids simply learn faster than others.

    But putting me in jail instead of them wouldn't have helped them at all...
    they would have just thought they got away with something...so why quit.
     

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