Here is a real gun control proposal that doesn't ban any guns (that aren't already)

Then came the 14th amendment, which was then used to apply the 2nd amendment to actions by the states.
Your post, above, rendered meaningless.

 

The total sum of your list equals ZERO benefit for society. If a firearm is found at a crime scene, it will be next to a dead criminal. Everything on your list protects that criminal.

 

Laws are not calibrated for criminals.

 

Answer the question.

 

That would certainly be a step in the right direction. Things as bad as they are in this country, we should take any improvement we can get.

 

I did.
You refuse to understand the answer.
That's - your - problem.

 

You did not.

 

As to your second point about voting - people have the right to vote. Dead people, people who aren't the voter, illegal aliens, and others do NOT have the right to vote here. Those safeguards are designed to prevent that.

A second point, which you overlooked: That our votes count EQUALLY within a state is crucial. One citizen, one vote. There's no presumption in the constitution that gun ownership will effectively be equal. Just that you have the right to do it. There's no "equal representation" corollary when it comes to gun ownership. Many of the laws are designed to establish that every vote counts EQUALLY and that one side does not have an advantage over another with respect to the law.

 

No. And thank God you don't argue constitutional cases or sit on the Supreme Court. It's bad enough already. The second amendment is NOT limited to just the federal government. Thanks.

 

Interesting to note that V4 was how the 2A came out of the House. There was ample debate in the Senate about the "composed of the body of the people" part. The anti-federalists wanted to keep it. The federalists, led by Washington and Hamilton, argued against it. Their argument was that it was not reasonable to expect a militia to be "well regulated" (i.e. disciplined, trained, managed,....etc) if it were composed of "the body of the people". The federalists prevailed. This makes it plainly clear that, not only was the 2nd A not referring to an individual right to own weapons, but it wasn't even referring to any sort of "natural" right that automatically applied to everybody. At the time, whether people could own guns or not was not an issue. Everybody could buy a gun, just like everybody could buy shoes or a house.... There was absolutely no need to include a right to own weapons anymore than it would be to include a right to own pants. People can argue today that they have a right to own guns because of the Heller decision. Or if they're very religious they can argue that it's a God-given right.... They can argue anything like that. But it's incorrect to say that such a right is addressed in any way in the 2nd A.

 

Nope, still not false, you did not address the question.

 

I accept your concession of the point.
When you think you can do something other than demonstrate you know you made a false statement, let us know.
Thanks

 

That doesn't make sense. A driver already has to show you an ID and you can look up whether they are a prohibited person, and there are serial numbers so it is not difficult to look up if the property is stolen.

What type of situations are you envisioning where that would not be enough, but your idea would provide some additional benefit?

 

no one has confiscated my cars

 

The "added benefit" is making it harder for the law abiding to exercise their rights.
That's their goal; if they tell you otherwise, you know they are lying.

 

Blah, blah, blah.

Great. Another meaningless piece of feel-good legislation.

You wanna fix the problem? Here's the only "gun control" (snicker) you need:

1) any person age 13 or older illegally possessing a firearm does a minimum mandatory 25-to-Life
2) any person age 13 or older illegally possessing a firearm in the commission of any crime does a minimum mandatory Life no Parole.

Just in case you don't get it, guns are inanimate objects.

You don't need gun control, but you do need people control, because people commit crimes, not guns.

 

sure, but there's all sorts of guns I can't have even on my property. not so with cars.

 

If your premise is that gun laws are pointless then I agree.

 

Over my dead body.

 

Actually dealers are only required to keep records going back 20 years. The ATF on the other hand may only keep such records for up to 90 days. After which they must be destroyed. The only records that the ATF keeps indefinitely are those which have been declined by the NICS system. Additionally all records kept must be a hardcopy and cannot be digitized. This means that when the dealer retires, goes out of business the records that the ATF gets can only be kept for 90 days at most. Then they're destroyed. Additionally if the dealer sells the company (as opposed to just going out of business) then the new owner gets keep the records after a bit of extra paperwork.

 

Ever hear of the phrase "The Pen is mightier than the Sword"? More people have died due to words than anyone has died due to a gun. History has shown that.

 

My shotgun has changed hands four times now with no kind of a paper trail attached to it.

 

Having problems reading the Bill of Rights?

 

So is a spoon.

 

So when are you going to support the enforcement of the current law against Hunter Biden? He should be spending 10 years in prison right now.

Or will this law only be used against the political enemies of the deep state?