Why are Christians so Mean-Spirited?

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  1. dairyair

    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    Lying to kids and not letting kids be who they are will hurt the kids and the next generation. Let the healing continue. Enough with your oppression.
     
  2. cupid dave

    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Right,...
    I am not the one saying that Gays are causing sexual promiscuity to increase and it is an evil thing:

    Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
     
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    It's mostly fundamentalists that are mean. I don't think mainline Christians tend to get all up in arms about ssm and abortion.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    The EVIDENCE is that the number of fatherless bastards have increased as we have shown them and explained all about sexual promiscuity.

    In the 1960's only 25% of black children were born outside of wedlock and today that number is 72% .

    Today, one is not safe walking through the inner city which is full of bastard kids grown up to have become the criminal element.
     
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    cupid dave Well-Known Member

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    Maybe,...
    What we see is Islam gathering to attack Americans who now legalize Gay marriages in 30 states.
    Christians in the West have both vanished in Europe and remained quiet in America.

    It isn't violence that we need fear from Christians, but silence.
     
  6. dairyair

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    I wouldn't walk the inner cities in the 60's or today. But you mix up sex with poverty.
     
  7. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    Only because you ask. The verbiage is lengthy and it's somewhat hard to separate them from one another since it's not formatted like the traditional list.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Exodus+34&version=CEV;MSG;ASV;NKJV;KJV

    Let's use the CEV because the language isn't as stilted.

    Exodus 34:1 (CEV) = One day the Lord said to Moses, “Cut two flat stones like the first ones I made, and I will write on them the same commandments that were on the two you broke.

    Exodus 34:10-28 (CEV)
    [SUP]10 [/SUP]The Lord said:

    I promise to perform miracles for you that have never been seen anywhere on earth. Neighboring nations will stand in fear and know that I was the one who did these marvelous things. [SUP]11 [/SUP]I will force out the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, but you must do what I command you today. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Don’t make treaties with any of those people. If you do, it will be like falling into a trap. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Instead, you must destroy their altars and tear down the sacred poles they use in the worship of the goddess Asherah. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I demand your complete loyalty—you must not worship any other god! [SUP]15 [/SUP]Don’t make treaties with the people there, or you will soon find yourselves worshiping their gods and taking part in their sacrificial meals. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Your men will even marry their women and be influenced to worship their gods.

    [SUP]17 [/SUP]Don’t make metal images of gods.

    [SUP]18 [/SUP]Don’t fail to observe the Festival of Thin Bread in the month of Abib. Obey me and eat bread without yeast for seven days during Abib, because that is the month you left Egypt.

    [SUP]19 [/SUP]The first-born males of your families and of your flocks and herds belong to me.

    [SUP]20 [/SUP]You can save the life of a first-born donkey by sacrificing a lamb; if you don’t, you must break the donkey’s neck. You must save every first-born son.

    Bring an offering every time you come to worship.

    [SUP]21 [/SUP]Do your work in six days and rest on the seventh day, even during the seasons for plowing and harvesting. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Celebrate the Harvest Festival each spring when you start harvesting your wheat, and celebrate the Festival of Shelters each autumn when you pick your fruit.

    [SUP]23 [/SUP]Your men must come to worship me three times a year, because I am the Lord God of Israel. [SUP]24 [/SUP]I will force the nations out of your land and enlarge your borders. Then no one will try to take your property when you come to worship me these three times each year.

    [SUP]25 [/SUP]When you sacrifice an animal on the altar, don’t offer bread made with yeast. And don’t save any part of the Passover meal for the next day.

    [SUP]26 [/SUP]I am the Lord your God, and you must bring the first part of your harvest to the place of worship.

    Don’t boil a young goat in its mother’s milk.



    [SUP]27 [/SUP]The Lord told Moses to put these laws in writing, as part of his agreement with Israel. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Moses stayed on the mountain with the Lord for forty days and nights, without eating or drinking. And he wrote down the Ten Commandments, the most important part of God’s agreement with his people.

    Do you think people would be eager to post the actual Ten Commandments listed above in court houses across America? Read the Book of Exodus chapters 20-34 and you will discover the truth for yourself. Moses didn't get the first set of stone tablets until Exodus chapter 31:18. The traditional Ten Commandments were given just three months after the Israelites left Egypt. That was well before Moses spent time getting the Ten Commandments written in stone as it says in Exodus 24:14 (CEV) = "The Lord said to Moses, “Come up on the mountain and stay here for a while. I will give you the two flat stones on which I have written the laws that my people must obey.” https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=+Exodus+24:12&version=CEV;MSG;ASV;NKJV;KJV
     
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    dearest Dave .... do a little research (which I know you love) on the socioeconomics of atheism in the west. While you're at it, check their education levels and "social problems" rates.
     
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    Yes. Gay people should suppress their natural inclinations, marry and have children........ so you would feel righteous and unthreatened.

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    I will force out the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites

    Funny that God didn't....
     
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    Yes, you do need to fear silence from Christians. But not for the reasons given.
     
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    Maybe that explains why Jacobs kids were such scum. He was sexually promiscuous.

    Did Moses ever know his father? Moses' mother threw Moses' behind into the Nile River as a snack for the crocs. Moses's father must have been banging some women behind the pyramids.
     
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    I find the fundamentalists, who claim to have a more than special relationship with God and thus feel righteous in judging you, to be the most mean-spirited. Definitely not the embodiment of what I feel Jesus Christ would be like or want us to live.

    I find most Christians to be great people who want to live good lives and ultimately be with their family again in the afterlife. No harm there, sounds pretty reasonable actually.
     
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    the desire is reasonable, the 'cure' not so much. the very natural fear of loss by death leading to talking snakes, 900 year old men, blood sacrifice, infanticide, genocide, and a monster god named yahweh, is anything but reasonable.
     
  14. The Wyrd of Gawd

    The Wyrd of Gawd Well-Known Member

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    How will that work? Will every be the same age? Since everyone doesn't love everyone the same will people become jealous when one person loves someone more that the person loves him or her? For instance you're in heaven with your parents and siblings and spouses but their parents and siblings are there as well and so on for hundreds or even thousands of generations. What happens if a person's parent loved his or her parents more than his or her spouse or even children? I see a lot of very unhappy people (or souls). The Bible says that there are no marriages in heaven. That's because the only expression of love there is between the people (or souls) one way toward God. Remember that his name is "Jealous".
     
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    there will always be 'excuses' made for the hate....


    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/loving.html

    "Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And, but for the interference with his arrangement, there would be no cause for such marriage. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix."
    -Judge Leon M. Bazile (January 6, 1959)


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  16. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    OK fine. I really, really disapprove very strongly of the fact that we spend such an outlandish amount on our military. IMO, spending that much on the Armed Forces is taking money out of my pocket and food from my children's mouths to murder people some thousands of miles away. It's not only morally wrong it endangers my life, both through angering these people who my money is helping to kill and through neglecting important things that we should be doing here, like fixing bridges.

    And I do object to it, BUT I don't refuse to do business with Servicemen, I don't diss them every chance I get and say I should have a right to because I dislike what the government makes them do. I respect their choice of career and admire them as brave individuals. I think they should be paid more and their lives should be protected better, We should have less of them, yes, but we should provide for them all very well as we owe them a lot.

    AFAICT the ONLY people saying they should be forced to associate with gays when they don't want to are the Churches. The gays DON"T want to be married in Churches that forbid Gays and they are not saying that Churches should have to accept gays. All they want is legal recognition for marriages done by Churches that DO accept gays. All they want, in other words, is to be left alone. Given that you're exhausted all your resources of moral suasion, isn't that the Christian thing to do?
     
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    Unfortunately I have to agree with you Giftedone, this has been my observation as well so I am going to have to define it as someone that does follow the teachings and understands the message.
     
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    That is correct, our constitution is explicit but the quote was "What monuments do atheists want to erase ?" I never thought Giftedone meant destroyed but location is a part of "erasing." What good would it do to move a statue of the ten commandments that has been around for 80 years -to a junk yard ? That is "erase." That is what was understood.
     
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    Do you mean that "Gays and Wiccans hate kids, so Child Abuse does not bother them,"... or that the "Christians are saying Child Abuse is their pretense for already hating Gays, promiscuous Straights, and Wiccans?"

    Or are you saying there is no Child Abuse?
     
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    Lots of hate on this thread. Now, the bible, according to the New Testament, does not preach hate. Hate comes from people of all walks of life, it is a natural human condition and people always rationalize their hate be it about anything. Fear inspires hate and fear can derive from something being different. Being afraid of something different is, in reality, a survival instinct and is natural.
     
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    ... but you don't object to Christians saying, "sexual promiscuity hurts the Kids very much, so Straights and Gay, both, need silence their open approval of it?"

    Nor do you object to Christians voting for Pro-life candidates or anti-Gay marriage proclamations and such activities?
     
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    Yes, Fear is the source of consciousness, when people take time to analyze the circumstance before the chose to either Fight or Flee.

    Hate for behaviors which hurt others, like the fatherless kids who suffer Child Abuse, is a good reason to get people to stop promoting sexual promiscuity which causes bastards.
     
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    Yes.
    And Christianity is defined as someone who will accept and promote the "Truth, as the way and the life" they will live by.
     
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    Any student of the Law knows the Ten Commandments are already part of our Laws.
    And, they were used in the development of the Legal System we use today.

    Which of the 10 Commandments do people want to erase because it is wrong?
     
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    I think "potential" is out of the equation for ISIS. However, they are motivated by religious fundamentalism.

    Anytime a religious group starts focusing on how the world has turned from god and deserves punishment it starts to cross over into dangerous territory. Not every fundamentalist group does this, but it is not dictated by any particular religion. Islam, christianity, hinduism, and even buddhism have produced fundamentalist sects or leaders who commit or condone and facilitate acts of violence. It is a universal attribute that they all consider their cause and actions to be justified and necessary.

    The OP focuses on christianity which is arguably less violent in general. The potential is certainly there though. The Lutherans righteous purging of Rome is legendary.
     

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