Won't Leave? Well then do this america haters.

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  1. thoughtprocess

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    Government is our worse selves merged into one. That’s not how it should be the vote matters they steal that from us one demographic at a time and the people are complicit. To fully understand the rights of a human being will cause an immediate shift. To play us against each other is a form of power I just want you and I to hate or love each other by our choice but media and government are the distractions. My complete belief is a-republican and Democrat belief has nothing to do with what I actually want our society to be. That comes from self and if I say I care about people more than self that will lead to my own destruction. And if I say I only care about self above all people that will lead to my destruction because in life you always need people at one point. There is a balance we just all have to be right because that’s all government as it’s stands allows us. The divide is real.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Took from Indians? I agree, there were a lot of unscrupulous land dealings but it did work both ways. Now we did have a Louisiana land Purchase. The largest purchase in History.....but there were many many more. You and I are not exactly realtors I may presume, but I would like to know what Indian tribes held claim to what and how they defined those holdings and were their claims well defined among other tribes. I do know the Mayflower compact was quite a study in socialism and there was a failed study in socialism in New Harmony Indiana. I don't think we have time or space here to really research exactly what transpired because it gets real confusing . When was Karl Marx born anyway? Guess I'll have to look that one up.
     
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    No because there are other countries other types of people’s in this world. There are millions of Americans who feel differently than you and different from me. We cannot strengthen our country on capitalism. Thousand of troops fighting to save the world to save other cultures that is not capitalism. They sacrifice their lives to progress America and humanity that is not capitalism. If we say just capitalism will lead to a culture of I’s and just on one mere point of patriotism it would be devastating.
     
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    If you cannot define possessions by growing up there and ancestors being buried there I don’t know what a claim maybe. What kill thousands for it and you deserve it? But again the Indians practiced socialism and saved America that’s why there is a fake thanksgiving. They saved America’s future by accepting and teaching the white man that is history. So to say socialism is embedded in the history of our country is very valid and America is very much unappreciative of its history.
     
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    I agree and appreciate you. I’m going to slow down on my post because I personally don’t care that my grammar is suspect. I’m not writing a thesis right? But another may see it as a nuisance. I’m having fun at the expense of what is right and defined. But what’s the use of speaking if you can’t get your point across right. I dictated to you that I’m going to be better so to keep in mind other people. If I didn’t state what I want I would only be known as an illiterate not a man with a point. Lol that was fun thanks.
     
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    Other peoples in other parts of the world have their own economic system, all I know is that American capitalism has offered the most economic freedom and liberty and advance than those that practice government socialism.


    Weill there are tens of millions more who feel differently and that our country is strong BECAUSE of it's capitalism.

    That's foreign policy not economics.
     
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    Really? I wonder why some people attending services at a nearby Jewish church were afraid to step outside?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Unappreciated because the 1st Pilgrims tried it and almost starved to death....fact!
     
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    think they're trying to "Jessie Smollet us".....it's a progressive trend.
     
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    I find Marx's philosophy deeply connected to capital. His contention that capital is mobile but labor is not seems apropos to our current situation. His belief that wages would eventually level when all the sources of cheap labor were exhausted -- maybe true, maybe not. Whatever one's belief, that is likely to be a very long process. His grand finale of a global worker uprising is pure science fiction. Hell, we can't unite on anything around here.

    Capitalism is a horrible system that is superior to all others.
     
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    so you can't steal from someone's fair share?
     
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    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know exactly how the government works. I know exactly what patriotism is all about. As for understanding liberties and freedoms, I see you don't get out much in the world. I didn't cherry pick. He used a clearly racist trope that is in fact grounds to get an employee fired. Not only is he a liar, and a crook and cheater, he's clearly a bigot.

    But hey what's a few small character issues in your Dear Leader.
     
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    its a possibility but as far as probability?
     
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    Dont judge 17th century people by 21st century standards

    But if it makes you feel better go ahead

    However acceoting refugees was clearly a bad idea for the Indians just as it is bad for us today
     
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    entitled to what you call "a fair share"?
     
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    You don't own me. Don't let your delusions trick you into thinking otherwise.
     
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    the other parts of the world yes are different. But in a dictatorship we cut them off from the world because they are different. They are hurting their people. Other countries are evolving and its only a matter of time when they will be over our greed. Multiple major allies and trade partners are now thinking and planning to do it without America where in the past that was inconceivable.

    Soldiers acting is not just about foreign policy they are individuals who serve for a reason. The live and die while serving for a reason. If you don’t know those diverse reasons and how it relates to helping others I’ll try this: Soldiers voluntarily give some of their rights away to serve honorably. I believe that to be a form of socialism. They give of themselves to serve country and humanity. On the capitalist side you have mercenaries. Mercenaries get paid a whole lot more than our troops to just perform a mere task. I feel that is very disrespectful to our troops who are trying to achieve goal. Yet that is capitalism by itself to tell troops you can’t do the job you are trained to do nor are you worth the money this business gets. But that’s not true they usually stabilize situations. The job of a for profit is just to create stable instability so to continue to generate profits. Not achieving a goal but just merely completing a task. Our troops heritage is written in stone at Arlington and Many places across our country. I say Memorial Day is a farce because yaaaaaay are troops but we dismiss every other day their sacrifice for all Americans and humanity. there is only one true reason a diverse group of people got together and fought. That reason is money is secondary because they should be compensated a whole lot more since they are the best of us, as a politician would say and that is not the case because of capitalism. The reason is because the thoughts of other people. Family, friends, etc
     
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    Yes, and we have similar issues here in Oz with some migrants and children of migrants.

    We've had young men (and a low number of women) leave Australia to fight for ISIS. Some became high ranking jerks for that fighting force and many were blown up by our coalition forces (thanks to all). Now the survivors want to return ha! We don't want them.

    What is odd here is the mentality of some migrants. A low IQ perhaps or over strong religious views that carry on to the country of their choice. They arrive here and a minority wont assimilate (some do and it is great). They are too hard line either anti Christian or more likely pro Muslim extremism. We can rant "how dare they, we gave them a home, a peaceful place where they can prosper and become comparatively wealthy.

    Some Aussies feel used, I do. Yet many lefties here are sympathetic regardless. I say to them, look at our armed forces- how many middle eastern children of migrants are recruited in our Defense Force? While our brothers and sisters go and fight ISIS and many other flash points they are in the suburbs of major cities condemning our country.

    Even so I do not regard myself as racist in any way. Some children and grand children of Muslim families serve in shops and are well raised, polite and friendly. We know from 60-70 years ago when we had Europeans migrate here they blend in eventually and become an asset. In Melbourne for example we have restaurants from nearly every country in the world. Multiculture they say "works"...the jury is still out.
     
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    Unfettered capitalism does lead to problems as any lefty on this board knows

    But so many of those same lefties embrace unfettered globalism

    and that is just as bad if not worse

    Free trade and open borders are bad for American workers
     
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    In comparison to what, precisely?
     
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    I can understand your "utopian" belief that people serve their country out of the goodness of their hearts, the nobility of soldiers serving their country for the goodness of mankind etc. However, Socialism is using those soldiers to force it's citizens to redistribute their property at the point of a gun whether they choose to do it out of the goodness of their hearts or not! Freedom is about choice. Even soldiers have a choice on whether to serve. Government needs to offer incentive for them to make that choice. The "People" need to decide what that incentive should be....not an elite few in government.
     
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    Yes. I spent my entire career in multinational high-tech companies. I can assure you with high confidence that the brass in those companies a) are for free trade when it benefits them, tariffs when not, b) worship at the alter of globalism, c) would love open boarders for all comers to lower the wage base in America, d) have little or no interest in the location of headquarters unless management, logistics, and market access are a consideration.
     
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    That reply ignores the reality that we are bound by the laws of the legislatures of We the People. That means you, too.
     
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    I agree with your final points but really Utopia? If you believe my ideals are unrealistic than I say you give up to easily. To strive for an Utopia leads to better lives for us all. We might fall short but we become better off and stronger merely by staying on the path. Freedom is not a choice it is earned by our own hands. How and why was our country founded again? Why do you think migrants flee to this country? It is because they have no choice. Why do you think their are thousands in jail for years for merely smoking marijuana, not hurting or destroying anyone else? Why are we telling women what to do with their bodies? Why can’t farmers grow and sell how much they want to? Because they as well as I have yet to win that fight for freedom etc....
     
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    Globalism should we be scared of it or take advantage of it? We have the best climate and the most productive workforce. In the challenge of globalism we can come out on top but here at home our workforce is being squandered. Raise education values and infrastructure to prepare for the new revenue streams is a must but what we have now with our own people it’s them or us so until we fix that globalism I agree fear it cuz you are not ready. Fear it because you truly have no expectations or design to utilize the greatness of the American people. P.S. outsourcing already happened and those are the capitalist conservatives to the democrats they are already making profits for themselves and leaving the rest of us behind.
     
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