A question for the pro abortion people

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by logical1, May 18, 2019.

  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and miracles have sometimes restored some of those individuals duue to a mis diagnosis. We take every effort to save a life. It is a commentary on our culture. But you seem to delight in giving women "control over their own bodies" while they control the life of other unique individuals as well. Co-mingling ones DNA with another's should be done with serious thought as to the possible consequences. It is not. It is taken very lightly in our declining culture. We have a "culture of death" being promoted......call it pro choice.
     
  2. Natty Bumpo

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    The law of the land recognizes a woman's right to privacy before another viable person has developed during the gestative process. Once it has, society then incurs a responsibility for it.

    There are extremists who would have politicians and government bureaucrats seize control as soon as a microscopic, mindless entity has formed, but State coercion is not the recourse if such extremists fail to sell their notion to the public.

    Blanket demands imposed upon the individual by a impersonal bureaucracy in such a person matter is no substitute for a woman consulting with trusted medical and spiritual advisers, friends and family, her awareness of her own circumstances and her own beliefs.
     
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  3. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    And it’s a decision YOU will never, ever need to make in context of what it means to your own health. You will never,ever deal with the complications that come with pregnancy. You will never, ever wonder if your gestational diabetes might kill you, or if all three of your triplets might die if you don’t abort one ... nothing. You are immune.

    You are basically a back seat driver who has never been in a car.
     
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    Funny how your response does not in any way diminish the validity of his post.
     
  5. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Since the validity of his response was zero to begin with, I guess you’re right.
     
  6. TOG 6

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    You cannot demonstrate this to be true.
     
  7. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You know nothing about me. My wife gave birth to two sons that were both complicated pregnancies and you would never know or understand the surgeries we went through to save a life. In our hospital stays we became acquainted with several parents that lost the fight and the emotions the caregivers dealt with during trying ties. We were powerless and all we could do is offer our prayers. You call me a back seat driver. I'll call you a Tuesday morning quarterback. Your mother evidently carried you to term. You just say to hell with everyone else.
     
  8. Daniel Light

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    So you look at the mother as a sperm receptacle and incubator-nothing else. Her fears and wants are nothing to you.

    You had the financial means to care for a difficult pregnancy and your wife had you for support.

    Now close your eyes and imagine she had neither. Imagine she was also on anti-depressants or had diabetes. Pretend for one second that the world isn’t a mirror of yourself.
     
  9. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Imagine the mother had a regard for life. Imagine if she took the precautions that showed that regard. Try, Daniel , to stop looking at women as mere "sperm recepticals" that out of your guilt, you would encourage the easy route to end life. You don't have to close your eyes..open them. Have a heart.
     
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    Imagine she was a raped, pregnant sixteen year old living with abusive parents. Imagine that girl at your feet in a puddle of her own blood. I don’t have to imagine it.

    I worked for 9 years documenting crime scenes. That was my introduction into what happens when abortion isn’t an option for women.
     
  11. yabberefugee

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    Imagine regarding the exception .....rather than the rule. You don't have to imagine, you do it!
     
  12. Doofenshmirtz

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    What about the thousands of unwanted children growing up in "the system"? Pointing a righteous finger at others saying "Have a heart" does nothing for these precious little lives you claim to care so much about. It reminds me of Democrats claiming to care about the poor.
     
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  13. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well why don't you abort them? I have shown love to every child I have conceived, have you? It all starts with the individual.
     
  14. LiveUninhibited

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    There's a difference between "not human" and "not a human." It doesn't make any sense to say it's not human in the sense of human origin, but what an early fetus is definitely not is a human or person.

    An early fetus is not a human because it does not have a mind and has never achieved consciousness. Something that has never had a mind and never achieved consciousness does not exist in the sense of being a person, and so needs no rights at all.
     
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    Thank you for asking. Why would my love for my children be dependent on if I conceived them? 3 of my 5 kids are adopted.
     
  16. yabberefugee

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    Well great for you....do you think telling me that gives you some kind of "moral high ground"? While at the same time you you clamour for a womens right to abort? If those three had been aborted you wouldn't have adopted them. I have two dogs. I bought them both from a breeder. I love her dogs. My dogs will never be abandoned.
     
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  17. Doofenshmirtz

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    No sir. You asked and you are the one telling others to have a heart. I am just a man with an opinion. I do not insist that my opinion be forced on others. I would never buy a dog from a breeder when thousands are being put to death every day. While I am no better than any other human, my 6 rescue dogs are better than your pure bred! :)

    You took a position of moral high ground only to expose your level of concern is limited to words only. I just don't see hot wearing a pro life hat helps these kids.
     
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  18. yabberefugee

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    It helps the ones that face an abortionists knife. My two Catahoulas beat your muts in any category. My dogs are never put to death. They are mine for life. I thought you'd pull the rescue thing out of the hat. Why are liberals so haughty and always try to portray their piety as special?
     
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    Liberals are no better. They claim to care about the poor by insisting others do the work. The same way you care about these precious little lives as long as no effort on your part is required. Its all about image. People in both parties are quick to point a righteous finger until its time to show up and make a difference.

    You attempted to portray yourself as morally superior, attacked others, insist that your beliefs are forced on others, and cannot even explain how abortion laws could be enforced. You would make a great liberal!
     
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    A question you should be asking first is this: Since it's scientific consensus that life begins at conception, according to a massive survey, if the fetus isn't a human life, then what species is it? The only explanation is that it's a human life. Scientific consensus may be wrong or change, but until such a thing happens, I defer to it. Personally, it is my opinion that all human lives have equal value. Therefore, since a fetus is a human life, I would be hypocritical of me if I approved of abortion.
     
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    Is an egg a chicken?
     
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    What sort of life?
    In reality, life begins with the sperm in the male. They are living with a head and a tail and can move about on their own.
    Also, life begins when a woman ovulates.
    Both those things are beginnings of life.

    What species is human sperm or human egg?
     
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    A human sperm or egg does not fit into the definition of life. Life begins at conception according to scientific consensus. Like I always say, scientific consensus can be wrong and can change. You can see about debating that with the science community. But until then, if you try to argue otherwise, you're denying science, no disrespect intended.
     
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    If it is a fertilized chicken egg, it has a chicken inside it, yes. There is no other species it can be.
     
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    Your claim contains a number of "logical fallacies" - perhaps you should consider a different nick :)

    1) Just because someone does not want to force personal religious beliefs on others though physical violence (law) - does not make them "Pro Abortion" - it does make them pro "Individual liberty"

    2) your post assumes that a baby exists in the early stages of pregnancy and you have not supported - never mind proven this claim = Assumed Premise fallacy.
     

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