AI: Up to 13000 Hanged by Assad in Saydnaya Prison

It's amazing how this whole mess started with a couple of kids spray painting anti-regime graffiti on a wall.

Of course, the frustration with Assad has been building for years. It blew up on his father Hafez back in 1982, too...

 

What happened in Syria mirrors what happened in Ukraine ...... an organic protest movement is hijacked by violent thugs with outside support in order to bring the government down.

Let's not kid ourselves. This was not a civil war in the traditional sense from the get-go.

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http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/04/...-van-der-lugt-was-murdered-on-7th-april-2014/

An examination of texts published by Father Frans van der Lugt in 2011 and 2012 shows that the late Dutch Jesuit priest had a dim view of the Syrian rebellion, which he held to be the work of a violent minority, and favored a process of political reform in Syria to be implemented by the current government under President Bashar Al-Assad.

Father Frans was murdered under still unclarified circumstances in the embattled Syrian city of Homs earlier this month [in 2014].

Opposition sources have blamed the Syrian government for his death. But it is widely believed that Father Frans was killed by hard-line Islamist members of one of the rebel factions that have taken control of his Bustan al-Diwan neighborhood in Homs.

The texts of Father Frans, who had lived in Syria since 1966, provide an eyewitness account of the origins of the anti-Assad rebellion and the gradual hardening of the front between opposing rebel and government forces in Homs.

In many respects, the Father’s observations contrast sharply with what has become the standard view of the rebellion in Western media.

Perhaps most notably, whereas the rebellion is typically held to have been sparked by the violent repression of peaceful protests, according to Father Frans, the “protest movement” contained an armed and violent element “from the start” and the violent opposition quickly gained the ascendancy over the peaceful opposition.

Thus, in a letter published in January 2012 on the Dutch-Flemish Mediawerkgroep Syriëwebsite, Father Frans wrote:

“From the start, the protest movements were not purely peaceful. From the start I saw armed demonstrators marching along in the protests, who began to shoot at the police first. Very often the violence of the security forces has been a reaction to the brutal violence of the armed rebels.”

In the same letter, Father Frans insisted that what was occurring in Syria could not be described as a “popular uprising,” since the majority of Syrians do not support the opposition and “certainly not” its armed component.

Already in September 2011, Father Frans had made similar observations in a guest post on a Belgian blog, going so far as to accuse armed opposition groups of blaming the regime for their own acts of violence.

Having noted the splintering of the opposition among Islamists, “liberals and democrats,” communists and so on, Father Frans continued:

“Moreover, from the start there has been the problem of the armed groups, which are also part of the opposition….The opposition of the street is much stronger than any other opposition. And this opposition is armed and frequently employs brutality and violence, only in order then to blame the government. Many representatives of the government [regeringsmensen – Father Frans might also be referring to supporters of the government] have been tortured and shot dead by them.”

“Personally,” Father Lugt concluded:

“I expect little good to come from the opposition, which, moreover, has been instigated and paid by foreign interests.”

 

It mirrors what happened in America, too, and the Sons of Liberty were considered violent thugs.

It started as civil unrest, but then some of the neighbors started giving Assad a taste of his own medicine.

Not coincidentally, this isn't the first time Assad has been through this. He's already gotten his ass kicked out of one country...

 

Jihadist head-choppers = Sons of Liberty??

 

So Assad hanged 13000, huh? Gosh that's terrible! Were they all "bad men"? Did they deserve to die? The reason I ask is because the US invasion of Irak ON A LIE OF WMD'S AND FALSE & FABRICATED 'PROOF' is responsible for a million deaths of innocent men, women, and children. So I have grave difficulties hearing someone complain about 13000 when they themselves have murdered a million. And where is this madman who lied to invade Irak and murder all of those innocent people? Is he in prison? Is he in hiding? Is he on the run? Or is he sitting on his sofa watching re-runs of *Green Acres* on the TV and sipping Moutain Dew from the fridge?

 

This book may interest you.

 

It happened too fast, woogs.. parents began protesting when their kids were locked up. Watch Barbara Walters interview Assad in Dec 2011..

You know Bashar is not in charge.. and if he steps down the family will kill him.

 

No, I didn't have jihadist head-choppers in mind.

I was merely pointing out that outside support and negative propaganda about protesters doesn't delegitimize the protesters or their cause.

 

And 10 times that number who will spend their lives "avenging" a close relative or friend. This is one thing that really gets to me about conservatives, you all seem unable to understand that killing a person's family and friends might make someone MAD rather than just cow him into submission

 

mess started with demographic explosion of undeveloped sunni - arabs, with islamization of Muslim world also 60-70th, check out even WW2 pictures of Egyptian, Afghani , Malaysian women , beach , university, etc.

 

Well I will agree with you there, the measures should be much more extreme. Kill them, and send the family to gulag...worked very well for Stalin they can hate all they want, but they better get to work or die of starvation. Or Mao during his cultural revolution....where the actual moto was "knock him down and bash his head against the floor" or something to that affect based on translation.... you seem to think Humanism and 80s Hollywood movies are reality.....

 

We can only wonder why you changed the subject since you're 1) tossing around body counts that are, at best, disputed if not completely discredited, 2) ignoring the fact that Sunni jihadists, Shiite death squads and Saddam's dead-enders were responsible for many, if not most, of those deaths, 3) falsely claiming that the terms of the Gulf War I ceasefire were limited to WMDs and 4) absolving Saddam Hussein of the consequences of his violation of the aforementioned ceasefire.

The madman who started that war isn't in hiding, on the run or watching reruns of the Douglases escapades in Hooterville. He was executed over 10 years ago.

Now that your red herring is out of the way, what's the real reason for your deflection, bob? Are you one of Bashar's fanboys? You can't handle people judging his actions on their own merits?

If you want to discuss George W. Bush, go ahead and open a thread about him. This thread is about Bashar al-Assad and the Amnesty International report.

 

Cute, but insipid.

How many Muslims have the Russians bombed in Syria, Balancer?

 

+1,

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own Muslims in Chechnya, my x-mass present to you , i expect a good real present by post from you.

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Kaplan ´s ¨prediction about syria was made in 2000

 

Funny, Barack Obama and Lyndon Johnson never struck me as conservatives. Perhaps, there's a flaw in your narrative...

 

Yes, I could have brought THAT up, but I decided not to get into how the Russkies turned Grozny into an ash tray...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Second_Chechen_War history of muscovy is one crime which covers other crime and so on

 

Amnesty International's 48 page report titled, "Syria: Human Slaughterhouse: Mass Hangings and Extermination at Saydnaya Prison, Syria," boasts bold claims, concluding:

...the Syrian authorities’ violations at Saydnaya amount to crimes against humanity. Amnesty International urgently calls for an independent and impartial investigation into crimes committed at Saydnaya.
However, even at a cursory glance, before even reading the full body of the report, under a section titled, "Methodology," Amnesty International admits it has no physical evidence whatsoever to substantiate what are admittedly only the testimony of alleged inmates and former workers at the prison, as well as figures within Syria's opposition.

Within the section titled, "Methodology," the report admits:
Despite repeated requests by Amnesty International for access to Syria, and specifically for access to detention facilities operated by the Syrian authorities, Amnesty International has been barred by the Syrian authorities from carrying out research in the country and consequently has not had access to areas controlled by the Syrian government since the crisis began in 2011. Other independent human rights monitoring groups have faced similar obstacles.
In other words, Amnesty International had no access whatsoever to the prison, nor did any of the witnesses it allegedly interview provide relevant evidence taken from or near the prison.

The only photographs of the prison are taken from outer space via satellite imagery. The only other photos included in the report are of three men who allege they lost weight while imprisoned and a photo of one of eight alleged death certificates provided to family members of detainees who died at Saydnaya.

The alleged certificates admittedly reveal nothing regarding allegations of torture or execution.

read more here: http://landdestroyer.blogspot.ru/2017/02/amnesty-international-admits-syrian.html?m=1

 

So O &H thought they'd be idiots too?

 

What's that got to do b with all of the Saudi and US backed mercenary fighters is Syria?

 

ok, who on this planet with a normal life would trust info from your blog with name landdestroyer over respectful human rights organization?

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assad´s side have even more of them, this is ww3 , so whats your point?

 

It's Assad country.
The saudis and the US are not Syrian.
If it is WW3, it is because the US and SA got involved after already having stirred up the conflict

 

Ok, the refugee issue is a concern.

Yes, jihadists. An ideology that needs to be changed. That will take a couple of generations. We need to show how wrong that ideology is to the younger people.
But I read that a reason they attract the younger people is they don't have much to do. Most who end up in these groups are out of work and no chance of finding work.

 

no its not his country ,he represents only his sect and this is it. or you think the last "election" took a place outside alawitelands ? or you think "Syria" exists ?