Alabama woman charged in her unborn baby’s death, cops say another woman pulled trigger

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  1. Yulee

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    Seems somewhat reasonable. If you kill a pregnant woman you are liable to be charged with double murder or manslaughter in most states including Alabama.

    If someone dies in the commission of a crime you can be held liable for felony murder.

    If she initiated a fight which resulted in the death of an unborn child, that seems to be an offense.

    I agree it is morally questionable because it was her pregnancy.
     
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    Wait, do you understand what is happening here
    Pregnant woman A starts a fight. In that fight Woman B shoots pregnant woman A. Woman A loses her baby. Woman A.....again Woman A, is charged with the death of her baby.
    That's nuts.
     
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    Person A robs bank, person B shoots person C, but person A is charged with his death.

    The issue is felony murder. I am not all that keen on it myself.
     
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    I read this story last night and thought is was "nuts". However, I found out more about the story and now I wonder. Woman A did not just initiate the fight, she continued to perpetuate the fight. She also attacked Woman B and Woman B had to act in self-defense. I started wondering if it had been a living child standing next to her that was killed because of her violent actions, would she be charged. I do not think there would be a single State that would not charge her with at least manslaughter because of her action, had that been the case. In that light, I really do not think it is so "nuts" anymore.
     
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    Strange circumstances no doubt but I agree with the decision.
     
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    Im happy with the outcome, but am troubled by the slippery slope getting there. It’s problematic.
     
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    Nope.... That's "Sweet Home Alabama..... Where the fetuses are more important than the actual human beings"
     
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    Women A initiated the fight.. Woman B was defending herself.
     
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    If an individual is indeed pregnant, then perhaps they should simply refrain from engaging in unjustified assault against another.
     
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    Woman B was defending herself against a fetus??
     
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    Yes manslaughter, engaging in an act that leads to the death of another person, and has nothing to do with the new abortion law.
     
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    Sentence should be tubes tied and 10 years probation...
     
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    Woman A, the individual who was shot, was the one who initiated the violence against Woman B, all while expecting her pregnant state to make her immune from any potential consequences of her actions. In essence, Woman A was using the fetus as if it were a human shield, and gave it no say or consideration in how she proceeded.
     
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    Interesting case. While I support the right to choose, it should not come in the form of getting people to shoot your baby defending themselves from you. Obviously, she is violent and belongs in prison.
     
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    Nah, Woman B was defending herself against Woman A who was carrying a fetus.

    The thing is, Woman A was, by all accounts, initiating and continuing to initiate the fight. I'll admit, this is kinda strange behavior to me, my wife did almost everything she could to avoid problems while pregnant and fights would have been big on that list.

    I'm pretty sure we've seen examples of this elsewhere. Wish I could remember where I saw it, but I remember reading years ago about a drunk driver with his kid in the car with him, gets into an accident, and the kid dies. Drunk gets charged with manslaughter. This is kinda the same thing.

    Considering what kind of life choices "mom" was making though - I think the kid would have been dead soon enough anyway.
     
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    In your desperation to be clever you are coming across as a moron which you are not..

    So try again.
     
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    forced abortion should be a crime, just as forced child birth should be a crime

    not sure how AL could punish the victim like this, makes no sense
     
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    Yeah, I don't agree with the decision, it removes away the accountability from the person that shot the woman. If they want to charge the pregnant woman with assault charges fine, but the other woman is guilty also.
     
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    this is not the same thing at all, she was shot and forced to abort against her will
     
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    you must know your wrong, attacking the messenger instead of the message
     
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    Based on the initial reports, the other woman acted in self defense. Should she had just sat there and allowed herself to be attacked just because the other woman was pregnant? It sounds like she did nothing for quite awhile until the pregnant woman physically attacked her.
     
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    Who forced the individual to commit an unprovoked assault?
     
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    It sounds like she was shot because she attacked another person. So, basically, it was her own actions that created the forced abortion.
     
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    See you i expect it from.
     
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