All Things Confederate (CSA)

The North was expanding the federal government, offering subsidies to the commercial interests in the Northern states (or manufacturing states), not the Southern states, thus making it an unfair market.

 

Here's more from Georgia about the domestic terrorists from the North:

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The Supreme Court unanimously, and their own local courts with equal unanimity (with the single and temporary exception of the supreme court of Wisconsin), sustained its constitutionality in all of its provisions. Yet it stands to-day a dead letter for all practicable purposes in every non-slave-holding State in the Union. We have their convenants, we have their oaths to keep and observe it, but the unfortunate claimant, even accompanied by a Federal officer with the mandate of the highest judicial authority in his hands, is everywhere met with fraud, with force, and with legislative enactments to elude, to resist, and defeat him. Claimants are murdered with impunity; officers of the law are beaten by frantic mobs instigated by inflammatory appeals from persons holding the highest public employment in these States, and supported by legislation in conflict with the clearest provisions of the Constitution, and even the ordinary principles of humanity. In several of our confederate States a citizen cannot travel the highway with his servant who may voluntarily accompany him, without being declared by law a felon and being subjected to infamous punishments. It is difficult to perceive how we could suffer more by the hostility than by the fraternity of such brethren.

The public law of civilized nations requires every State to restrain its citizens or subjects from committing acts injurious to the peace and security of any other State and from attempting to excite insurrection, or to lessen the security, or to disturb the tranquillity of their neighbors, and our Constitution wisely gives Congress the power to punish all offenses against the laws of nations.

These are sound and just principles which have received the approbation of just men in all countries and all centuries; but they are wholly disregarded by the people of the Northern States, and the Federal Government is impotent to maintain them. For twenty years past the abolitionists and their allies in the Northern States have been engaged in constant efforts to subvert our institutions and to excite insurrection and servile war among us. They have sent emissaries among us for the accomplishment of these purposes. Some of these efforts have received the public sanction of a majority of the leading men of the Republican party in the national councils, the same men who are now proposed as our rulers. These efforts have in one instance led to the actual invasion of one of the slave-holding States, and those of the murderers and incendiaries who escaped public justice by flight have found fraternal protection among our Northern confederates.

These are the same men who say the Union shall be preserved.

Such are the opinions and such are the practices of the Republican party, who have been called by their own votes to administer the Federal Government under the Constitution of the United States. We know their treachery; we know the shallow pretenses under which they daily disregard its plainest obligations. If we submit to them it will be our fault and not theirs. The people of Georgia have ever been willing to stand by this bargain, this contract; they have never sought to evade any of its obligations; they have never hitherto sought to establish any new government; they have struggled to maintain the ancient right of themselves and the human race through and by that Constitution. But they know the value of parchment rights in treacherous hands, and therefore they refuse to commit their own to the rulers whom the North offers us. Why? Because by their declared principles and policy they have outlawed $3,000,000,000 of our property in the common territories of the Union; put it under the ban of the Republic in the States where it exists and out of the protection of Federal law everywhere; because they give sanctuary to thieves and incendiaries who assail it to the whole extent of their power, in spite of their most solemn obligations and covenants; because their avowed purpose is to subvert our society and subject us not only to the loss of our property but the destruction of ourselves, our wives, and our children, and the desolation of our homes, our altars, and our firesides. To avoid these evils we resume the powers which our fathers delegated to the Government of the United States, and henceforth will seek new safeguards for our liberty, equality, security, and tranquillity.
"

 

My bad. 13th, 14th and 15th. And since the former Confederate states didn't vote for or against them, there was no duress.

 

Please don't edit quotes, especially when quoting me
without indicating an edit took place.

Gracias


Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.

 

Some of us are grateful for the reduction in needless scrolling granted by a judicious edit.

Gracias!

 

They had to pass them as a condition to return to the union.

Duh - uh​

Enough duress?


Si YOU be bad #2

 

The South succeeded primarily because of domestic terrorists, turned into folk heroes by the North.

Here is a passage from Texas' articles of separation:

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By consolidating their strength, they have placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments. They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a 'higher law' than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights.

They have for years past encouraged and sustained lawless organizations to steal our slaves and prevent their recapture, and have repeatedly murdered Southern citizens while lawfully seeking their rendition.

They have invaded Southern soil and murdered unoffending citizens, and through the press their leading men and a fanatical pulpit have bestowed praise upon the actors and assassins in these crimes, while the governors of several of their States have refused to deliver parties implicated and indicted for participation in such offenses, upon the legal demands of the States aggrieved.

They have, through the mails and hired emissaries, sent seditious pamphlets and papers among us to stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides.

They have sent hired emissaries among us to burn our towns and distribute arms and poison to our slaves for the same purpose.
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That's to be re-admitted. The Amendments had passed years earlier. Context and timing matter.

Submitting to the demands of the winner is one of the primary results of getting your huevos stomped during a war.

 

You always say that and never refute it.
But anyone can show how each and every State that went to war with the USA, stated slavery as a reason in their secession document.

 

One must be aware that slavery and all civil rights violations were sanctioned and implemented by governments.

 

One must be aware that one faction was worried that they would no longer be able to sanction slavery it they stayed in the US -- that the US was on a path of abolition. So they rebelled against our country to preserve the institution. And explicitly said so.

 

DECLARATION OF CAUSES: February 2, 1861
A declaration of the causes which impel the State of Texas to secede from the Federal Union.
...
She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery--the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits--a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?
https://www.tsl.texas.gov/ref/abouttx/secession/2feb1861.html

21 times in the above Tx secession document is the word slavery used.

 

Boys and Girls!! No one is a greater advocate for Civil War History than I am. I have my own opinions and would gladly share them anytime! The War is over!!! Now we are on the precipice of another Civil War. We survived an attempted coup upon our nation and now the same folks are trying to steal an election. Focus!! We need to be alert! Not sidetracked!!

 

Yet the South's primary concern was slavery, not any other subsidy issues or any other commercial interest. Again, they ****ing said so. It is your word against their own.

 

What's your point? Of course slavery was mentioned numerous times. Women and children were being murdered by Northern domestic terrorists, who were turned into folk heroes by the North, because those domestic terrorists wanted to kill slaveholders and their families. It was also a constitutional right, bolstered by federal law, which Northern states were undermining. It was at the heart and center of the the debate back then. Since it was a primary focus, the topic came up a lot.

Next!

 

The South's primary concern was not simply slavery, but Northern aggression to it.

 

It didn't really factor into the reasons he Confederacy provided, beyond Kansas . . . where both sides had terrorists. But continue pretending that terrorists trying to free slaves were any worse than slave holders. It's sad, but entertaining.

 

It's not just the south trying to steal the election away from the vote of America. All making the silly fraud claims are from all over the country.

 

Which was mentioned more? Please remind the class.

 

Yes . . . their desire for slavery and the North's opposition to slavery . . . you sure you thought this through?

 

What's your point? Some of those slaves wanted to kill slaveholders and their families. Could you blame them? Families broken up and sold.....women used as sources of pleasure....let alone the stealing of their labor. The" Northern Terrorists" were only agents that helped carry out those desires. The slaves were Southerners.

 

Before the war, which Southern terrorists came into Northern territory and started murdering women and children, like the Northern terrorists were doing in the South and for which they were converted into folk heroes? Please, don't be disingenuous.

 

Their desire was for tranquility and not to be violently forced to accept the Northern point. Yes, I have thought this through.

 

And there you are people: the justification of Northern terrorists killing women and children.

 

The "folk heroes" you speak of did not appear in the Southern declarations of secession. You only brought up Kansas . . . which was a disputed slave/free territory . . . where both sides had "terrorists." And you seem perfectly fine with slave omen and children being murdered and tortured, so don't be disingenuous. Until you object to women and children being enslaved by Southerns, your "concern" is fake.