All Things Confederate (CSA)

I think we've reached an impasse.

Let's make a deal.

I will say sorry for the slaveholding terrorists if you say sorry for the Northern terrorists who killed women and children.

Deal?

 

Yep. This seems very fitting:

 

In the meantime, back to the topic.

 

The North tried, convicted and executed the "Northern terrorists who killed women and children." The South venerates the slave holding terrorists to this day.

Your move.

 

Losers gonna lose...

 

The Civil War began in Kansas. Settlers from New England wanted a state free of slavery and Southern settlers wanted to expand slavery into Kansas. It was the Southerners who took the first swing and paid the price.

The Republican Party was originally created out of three forces, those who wanted to end slavery, those who wanted to prohibit alcohol and those who wanted to give women the right to vote. In many ways it began as a movement to improve the moral standing of the United States. Slavery and the moonshine culture of the South was seen as an abomination, a horrible ugly stain on the American culture. And like all such fights, the side of good prevailed.

It also occurs to me, that the Trump championed the Neo-Confederate cause, which is sometimes disguised as libertarianism, and was ultimately rejected by the majority of the people in a fair election.

 

John Brown was tried, convicted, and executed in Virginia. What evidence is there that the Northern terrorist who escaped to the North were convicted and executed?

 

What you are really saying is that Southerners in Kansas got in gun battles with New Englanders and came up short. It is a whole lot easier to say Reginald was killed by terrorists than to admit he was killed while willingly engaging in a gun battle for the primary purpose of expanding slavery into an area that did not want it.

 

Which one? Be specific.

 

LMAO...yeah, that's why all the white supremacists and right-wing secessionists voted for trump.
G'wan, tell us another one.

 

Why bless a country entirely devoted to the same crimes that you claim to object to?

 

Anyone who is still fighting the civil war in their heads and calling for secession is not a loyal American.

 

You were the one claiming it. You said Northern terrorists who killed women and children were tried and convicted in the North. When I ask you for evidence of that, you ask me to tell you.

Jeeze.

 

You claim some escaped to the north. Who did? Be specific.

 

I am just agreeing with you. How much better informed Republicans are. This thread really shows it. How can I argue with such profound knowledge of history, such well thought out and intricate and logical arguments. How could I have been so blind.

 

"
These efforts have in one instance led to the actual invasion of one of the slave-holding States, and those of the murderers and incendiaries who escaped public justice by flight have found fraternal protection among our Northern confederates.
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And my sarcasm meter just exploded...

 

Nice unsourced quote. Who is it referring to? Be specific.

I can't help but notice you are avoiding the second point I made: Slave holding terrorists are venerated in the South to this day (post #114)...

 

This is comparing apples to oranges. Robert E. Lee, it at least can be argued, is venerated in the full context of his life, including in defense of his state and what he thought was right, whereas John Brown is specifically venerated as a folk hero for murdering innocent women and children.

 

Who is fighting the civil war in their heads? The civil war was over 155 years ago.

 

Robert E. Lee broke his oath and waged war on the country he swore to defend from all enemies, foreign AND domestic. He was the absolute worst kind of traitor.

 

At that time, the loyalty was to the state rather than to the USA.
"The day after the firing on Fort Sumter, the United States Secretary of War, Edwin Stanton, directed that all United States Military Academy (West Point) cadets must take a "new oath of allegiance." Previously, each cadet had taken an "oath of allegiance to his respective State." Now, they were required to "swear feilty* to the United States paramount to any other state, county or political entity." While the cadets were in full uniform, the new oath was administered in the chapel in the presence of the Academy staff.
*feilty is an old English word that is not in all dictionaries but is best equated to the modern word ‘fidelity’."
General Robert E. Lee State Loyalty Virginia Civil War Oath (thomaslegion.net)

 

I disagree that he was a traitor, but you are changing the subject. We were talking about the veneration of slaveholders, not traitors.

 

He was both. Next...

 

Jeeze.

Keep up with the context of the conversation, pal. Statues in honor of those like Robert E. Lee were not specific to him being a slaveholder; they are in the full context of his life.