Ancient Stone Works/Megaliths

If you read some of it, it would make a lot of sense, naturally all the dates are guesses.

 

God works in mysterious ways.

 

to be anal, history is defined as the study written documents, so that was pre history and there were no documents to lose

 

what more conspiracy theory?....archeological academia doesn't care, nothing exists until there is evidence for it...

 

Okay....that is freakin' FUNNY!

 

Yes and no,

There are many written documents that cannot be explained, or simply don't fit into the established theory, so they are dismissed, usually by religions.

This is an excuse so you don't have to explain something that might contradict it.

 

When careers are invested with a particular view of when civilization arose, for you to say human interests are not involved in things remaining the status quo is utter nonsense. You see this particularly in Egyptology and with egyptologists. You should do some more reading before you come to the table with your exclamations. Clearly you have no clue how the politics works within academia, with circles that think they already know the truth.

Conspiracy theory by arse. Anyone who questions what you believe in is a conspiracy theorist, right? The age of the sphinx is being questioned, by some geologists. Until the discovery of Goebekil Tepe it was accepted fact, to the point of dogma, that you had to have a farming based civilization in order to have stone works, big ones, with carvings, art. This discovery turned that world on its head. And you seem to be clueless of it. The trouble seems to be the specialization of particular fields, for instance, Hawass didn't know hardly anything about Goebekli Tepe, and what was discovered there! Specialization in science puts up walls, between the various specialities, and there doesn't seem to be a field that brings it all together, at least in this field.

Keep your arrogance to yourself, please. No place for it with inquiring minds. It just comes off as being a *********. Which you seem to have merit badges for, IMO.

 

It is also a sarcastic response meant to belittle overly zealous theists.

 

One would hope you at least understand that Gobekli Tepe pretty much destroys any Christian or biblical time lines. Obviously if people built cities 11,000 years ago and we found it intact with no sediment there could be no global flood.

 

You should be telling this to those who buy into biblical accounts of history. If you do not know that I do not by now, you don't pay much attention to what your fellow forum members think.

I am agnostic, not an atheist nor theist. IMO, all intellectually honest people are in this group. To not be, is to have faith in an assumption. I have no faith in any assumption. I recognize assumptions as for what they are. A guess that becomes over time, dogma.

 

Goebekil Tepe is no where near Egypt why would you expect Hawass to study that?

The Sphinx was probably an Anubis.

 

It seems then I was mistaken and thus apologize...I had assumed your defense of Christian texts to be adherence to the theology...my mistake.

 

In an interview that I saw, he was barely aware of it at all, and what was discovered with those implications. Given the importance of the implications of that discovery, any archaeologist should at least be aware of the nature of that discovery and its implications upon the "accepted" beliefs within the field itself.

All that I know about the sphinx is that the weathering patterns, according to some geologists, who specialize in such things appears to be water, not wind driven sand. And not just on the sphinx but in other areas surrounding it. The sphinx may have predated the pyramids, given the weathering, to many thousands of years before the pyramids were constructed. Hawass would scoff at that idea, even when coming from the experts in geology. For it does not match his ideas and beliefs. This has always been a problem in science, the human element, being ego invested in what one believes. Science will eventually rise above that of course, but it can take lots of time, and tombstones.

 

Sandstorms in the ME will take the paint off your car. WHY would an Egyptologist shift his focus to Goebekil Tepe?

 

Water erosion on sphinx

 

Could also be sandstorm erosion..

 

Why would they spend some time in becoming aware of the implications that GT raised? Academic interests? And why would you say anyone would shift a focus? I did not say a specialist should shift a focus, I only said they should be aware of the implications of the change in current thinking in what must precede a stone works as seen in GT. You are aware that the domestication of grain, farming is what is said to have given rise to civilization, with great works in stone being an aspect of civilization, or if you wish, mud bricks in mesopotamia. It has been thought ever since I majored in this field that farming, staying in one place was needed for the development of particular skills, like working and moving huge blocks of stone. If there was a source for such stone.

 

Yup, see what happened.

 

Grain and chickpeas, but there's ample evidence now that the stone monuments preceded organized agriculture..

 

There just aren't any big forests in that part of the world... and no evidence that there ever were. The climate hasn't changed much in Mesopotamia and the Levant in the past 5,000 years.

 

Sure it has.
Where are the Cedars of Lebanon
or the Lions of Judah.
It got deforested!
My guess is the age of metals and burning anything that burned.

 

The Cedars of Lebanon are nowhere near Mesopotamia.

 

Still Gone.

BTW don't they count as one end of the fertile crescent?
How fertile is the crescent now? A bit dry.

 

What do you mean gone?

Fertile crescent has always been dry except along the river basins.

 

Uh, that is what some geologists said was not sand storm erosion. And they know their erosion. Of course there is that kind of erosion there, but the signatures of water erosion, tremendous erosion from rain is evidently there as well, in a desert. Or at least it has been a desert for thousand of years, but prior to that, it was not, which predated what we know of as ancient egyptian civilization. To suffer that kind of water erosion would push back the existence of the sphinx and other things in that area back thousands of years prior to what we know of as that civilization.

So, if true, there was a civilization there that was around the time or earlier than Goebekli Tepe. And this is what has egyptologists in denial. I don't think there is any question among geologists that this is water erosion, given it has the classic signature of water erosion, created by rain, lots of rain, over time.

It is possible that earlier civilizations existed, earlier than what is found in mesopotamia, prior to sea level rise which would have put those under water if along coastlines.

With the melting of the miles thick ice sheets over parts of the northern hemisphere. If any were under the ice sheets, that were at places miles thick, and given they carved out the great lakes, no one should expect to find any remains. Especially if building materials were as used in ancient mesopotamia. Or even wood structures.

There have been relics found in geological strata, that are not supposed to be there. You can find them online, things out of place, out of time. And some just cannot be explained away, although there is never any talk of these things outside of the tin foil hatters. But the fact they exist is unquestionable, and provable. If you cannot reasonably explain such relics, tools, then they are ignored by scientists. I don't imagine that want such headaches.